[Clamav-users] too many clamav-milter processies

2006-11-07 Thread Michael Grant
This morning I woke up and there were a bunch of clamav-milter processies and mail was being rejected: 36769 clamav /usr/local/sbin/clamav-milter --pidfile /var/run/clamav/c 37940 clamav /usr/local/sbin/clamav-milter --pidfile /var/run/clamav/c 38180 clamav /usr/local/sbin/clamav-milter --pidfile

[Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern package that fails to install and just work. The developers of clamav have done a great job with this product, and I trust them to create a product that works, and about which I need to know nothing of the inner workings. I WA

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:12:03 -0700 Jim Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] My take on your post is that installing software blindly on a multi-user system is at best irresponsible. On a workstation on your desk, the effects of your actions are limited to you alone. This is not the case on a

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread James Kosin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Redman wrote: > Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern > package that fails to install and just work. > <<-- snip -->> > Jim > You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing to do with RPM packages or

Re: [Clamav-users] Compiling rc2 on Solaris

2006-11-07 Thread Tomasz Kojm
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 13:52:19 -0500 (EST) "Christopher X. Candreva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know if this helps anyone else, but on Solaris 8 I had to tell > configure explicily to use bash instead of stock sun /bin/sh . It was > generating an error on the check for the clamav user (

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
Steve, Steve Holdoway wrote: On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:12:03 -0700 Jim Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] My take on your post is that installing software blindly on a multi-user system is at best irresponsible. On a workstation on your desk, the effects of your actions are limited to you

Re: [Clamav-users] Compiling rc2 on Solaris

2006-11-07 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Tomasz Kojm wrote: > Please report the problem to http://bugs.clamav.net Opened. Sorry, I just assumed it was Sun's problem. == Chris Candreva -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westche

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
James, James Kosin wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Redman wrote: Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern package that fails to install and just work. <<-- snip -->> Jim You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing t

Re: [Clamav-users] Broken Pipe problem while running freshclam

2006-11-07 Thread Luca Gibelli
Hello Dennis, > Why is it that dead servers remain in the round robin DNS tables for > days on end? I'm using data from http://www.clamav.net/mirrors.html as a > basis of "dead". I usually contact the sysadmin immediately after the mirror goes down and remove them from the RR only if the sysad

RE: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Bowie Bailey
Jim Redman wrote: > James, > > James Kosin wrote: > > Jim Redman wrote: > > > Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern > > > package that fails to install and just work. > > > > > <<-- snip -->> > > > Jim > > > > > > > You are ranting to the wrong group of people. Clam

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Gary V
Jim Redman wrote: > Of all the packages I install (Fedora), clamav is the only modern > package that fails to install and just work. > <<-- snip -->> > Jim > You are ranting to the wrong group of people. ClamAV has nothing to do with RPM packages or maintaining Fedora releases of the extra packa

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> I WANT to know NOTHING about ClamAV, I wish to remain ignorant. I even > trust the folks who produce RPMs to come up with reasonable defaults for > file locations, max sizes, etc. etc. etc. As _IS_ the case with just > about every other install. > You have obviously been very successful in

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Luca Gibelli
Hello Jim, > Instead the packages need me to learn some of the inner workings of > ClamAV and FreshClam (forget editing the conf files, the packages don't > even seem to work together out of the box), and since I really don't > care about learning this, I'm going to get as far as making it wo

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > My not-so-automated update process looks like this: > > wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz) > tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz > cd clamav-XXX > configure --disable-zlib-vcheck > make > su > make install > service clamav restart > service freshclam restart > You would be wise to uninstall the

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread James Kosin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jim Redman wrote: > It's seems that I have a philosophical difference here. There > almost seems to be a "no pain, no gain" mentality, that installing > ClamAV SHOULD be complex and difficult, you don't really deserve > the software unless you've suf

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
Bowie, Bowie Bailey wrote: Hassle? My not-so-automated update process looks like this: wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz) tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz cd clamav-XXX configure --disable-zlib-vcheck make su make install service clamav restart service freshclam restart The obvious observatio

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:10:27 -0700 "Gary V" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Fedora package confuses the crap out of me. I gave up trying to figure > out what they are trying to accomplish and installed from source. What seems entirely bizarre about Fedora's ClamAV packages is that they don't u

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > > What seems entirely bizarre about Fedora's ClamAV packages is that they > don't use freshclam in daemon mode, they use cron to run it. There's a > perfectly good tool provided that does all the necessary things to link > freshclam to clamd, and they don't use it. > If you run freshclam as

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Steve Holdoway
On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 14:43:11 -0700 Jim Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bowie, > > Bowie Bailey wrote: > > Hassle? > > > > My not-so-automated update process looks like this: > > > > wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz) > > tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz > > cd clamav-XXX > > configure --disa

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > Bowie, > > The obvious observation that while this might work for you it's not a > general solution, so now everyone needs to create a script. F'chrissake... It is trivial to do this. Less than 10 minutes, start to stop. I wrote the script I use 3 years and it took just minutes. I have 10 m

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
James, James Kosin wrote: > Unfortunately, if they are a brain-dead sysadmin, I drought they would > know what to do with a VIRUS if ClamAV found one. Remember, ClamAV > will find viruses, but, not clean them from infected programs. This is a good point, I would argue that the default in this c

RE: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Barry Gill
> If it runs out of cron it runs for just milli- seconds - other wise it is in the proc table Assuming of course that you don't end up with hundreds of spawned cron jons. For some reason, I have seen more often than I care to think, multiple cron jobs firing off freshclam and then not hanging up.

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Craig Morrison
Dennis Peterson wrote: My not-so-automated update process looks like this: wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz) tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz cd clamav-XXX configure --disable-zlib-vcheck make su make install service clamav restart service freshclam restart You would be wise to uninstall the

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:57:23 -0800 (PST) Dennis Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > What seems entirely bizarre about Fedora's ClamAV packages is that they > > don't use freshclam in daemon mode, they use cron to run it. There's a > > perfectly good tool provided that does all the nec

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
Steve, Steve Holdoway wrote: > You really do need to get out of the mindset that you don't actually >need to know what you're doing to administer a server. It is *NOT* a >trivial task, requires skills to support it, and years of experience to >do it well. Your opinions, seem to be the preval

[Clamav-users] don't understand technical lingo for SECURITY WARNING: NO SUPPORT FOR DIGITAL SIGNATURES

2006-11-07 Thread joel Meyer
greetings all. i am a mac osx user but am unfamiliar with much of the "computer lingo"and this is my problem: i use clamav and just recently noticed this statement: SECURITY WARNING: NO SUPPORT FOR DIGITAL SIGNATURES. now, i looked it up in the FAQs section, but because of my apparent computer

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote: > Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal members of this > list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it. I would disagree, in that I don't see it as suffering. Forgive me if I missed it, but what is your specific problem ? Perhaps we

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Jim Redman
Chris, Christopher X. Candreva wrote: On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote: Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal members of this list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it. I would disagree, in that I don't see it as suffering. Forgive me if I missed it, but w

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > > You would be wise to uninstall the previous installation so that you don't > > end up with split versions. The man pages have not always been consistent > > nor have library names, and uninstall (make uninstall) helps prevent this. > > This only serves to illustrate the OP's point. > I ag

[Clamav-users] Re: don't understand technical lingo for SECURITY WARNING: NO SUPPORT FOR DIGITAL SIGNATURES

2006-11-07 Thread René Berber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel Meyer wrote: > greetings all. i am a mac osx user but am unfamiliar > with much of the "computer lingo"and this is my > problem: i use clamav and just recently noticed this > statement: SECURITY WARNING: NO SUPPORT FOR DIGITAL > SIGNATURES. n

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > > If it runs out of cron it runs for just milli- seconds - other wise it is > in the proc table > > Assuming of course that you don't end up with hundreds of spawned cron jons. Run the following fc.sh script from cron every hour #!/bin/sh # usage: fc.sh [now] # Any argument will bypass th

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to packagers

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 13:57:23 -0800 (PST) > Dennis Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I accept your points Dennis, I'm just puzzled that people have so much > trouble with freshclam daemons. I have used it for years and find it > 100% reliable after a few problems with settings in the earl

Re: [Clamav-users] don't understand technical lingo for SECURITY

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > greetings all. i am a mac osx user but am unfamiliar > with much of the "computer lingo"and this is my > problem: i use clamav and just recently noticed this > statement: SECURITY WARNING: NO SUPPORT FOR DIGITAL > SIGNATURES. now, i looked it up in the FAQs section, > but because of my app

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
> > On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jim Redman wrote: > > > Your opinions, seem to be the prevalent attitude of the vocal members of > > this > > list - if you don't suffer, it wasn't worth it. > > I would disagree, in that I don't see it as suffering. > > Forgive me if I missed it, but what is your speci

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread John Rudd
Dennis Peterson wrote: My not-so-automated update process looks like this: wget (link to current clamav-XXX.tar.gz) tar xzf clamav-XXX.tar.gz cd clamav-XXX configure --disable-zlib-vcheck make su make install service clamav restart service freshclam restart You would be wise to uninstall the

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread John Rudd
Dennis Peterson wrote: Bowie, The obvious observation that while this might work for you it's not a general solution, so now everyone needs to create a script. F'chrissake... It is trivial to do this. Less than 10 minutes, start to stop. I wrote the script I use 3 years and it took just minut

Re: [Clamav-users] Cherishing my ignorance - An appeal to package rs

2006-11-07 Thread Dennis Peterson
John Rudd wrote: Dennis Peterson wrote: Bowie, The obvious observation that while this might work for you it's not a general solution, so now everyone needs to create a script. F'chrissake... It is trivial to do this. Less than 10 minutes, start to stop. I wrote the script I use 3 years and