Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Brian Jones
Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please be very carefull about implementing any J2EE stuff. A lot of specs and > javadoc documentation about J2EE technologies can only be accessed by first > agreeing to a restrictive license. Please read that license carefully before > downloading any

Re: CNI vs JNI [Was: [per@bothner.com: Status of Free Java Environment?]]

1999-12-20 Thread Brian Jones
Tom Tromey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Brian> I think as far as CVS goes we could set it up so that the ,v > Brian> files from Classpath's tree get copied over to cygnus regularly > Brian> in the libjava directory of libgcj. > > No, we can't do that. This approach fails to consider branches i

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Mark Benvenuto
Guan Yang wrote: > > 2) Is there room in GNU Classpath for J2EE stuff? > -- What are you interested in? JSP, XML, Servlets are being done by Apache extensively. Tomcat will be the reference implementation of JSP and Servlets JTA and JMS I think are mostly framework and depend on JTS. Well, JTS

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 05:21:32PM -0500, Paul Fisher wrote: > Guan Yang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 2) Is there room in GNU Classpath for J2EE stuff? > > Yes -- or at least something that provides equivalent functionality. Please be very carefull about implementing any J2EE stuff. A lot

Re: Licensing comment request

1999-12-20 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 05:15:50PM -0500, Michael Emmel wrote: > Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > > > If you lose your clean room status, you are like a > > house of cards. Be careful about an army of guys working > > concurrently with code from Sun. > > One reason I'm hesistant to contribute to classp

Re: CNI vs JNI [Was: [per@bothner.com: Status of Free Java Environment?]]

1999-12-20 Thread Tom Tromey
Brian> I think as far as CVS goes we could set it up so that the ,v Brian> files from Classpath's tree get copied over to cygnus regularly Brian> in the libjava directory of libgcj. No, we can't do that. This approach fails to consider branches in our repository. It also fails if anybody ever c

Re: Licensing comment request

1999-12-20 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 11:34:25AM -0500, Paul Fisher wrote: > Anthony Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If we could all agree to switch to this license, then we could start > > working on a plan to merge the two projects. > > If anyone wants to weigh in on the issue of switching to libgcc

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Re: [per@bothner.com: Re: Status of Free Java Environment?]

1999-12-20 Thread Chris Toshok
Paul Fisher wrote: > > Secondly, how would this license affect embedding of classpath in eg > > Mozilla, which is Free but not GPL-compatible? > > Licensing for Java in Mozilla is a non-issue. Mozilla runs the JVM in > a separate process, and therefore the JVM+libraries can be covered by > any l

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Mon, Dec 20, 1999 at 01:44:13AM -0500, Brian Jones wrote: > Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Just me being paranoid, > > Rightly to be paranoid about this. A number of books out there right > now on Swing liberally include source code from Sun's implementation; > don't buy s

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
> Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Please be very carefull about implementing any J2EE stuff. A lot of specs and > > javadoc documentation about J2EE technologies can only be accessed by first > > agreeing to a restrictive license. Please read that license carefully before > > down

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Brian Jones
"Dick Hollenbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Never in my life have I agreed to a license by reading or > buying a publicly available book. (Other than being bound > by copyright law.) I have no knowledge of any case law > that suggests this is on a par with opening a shrink wrap > licen

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Bernd Kreimeier
Mark Wielaard wrote: > When you have not agreed to a license/contract the publisher can not > force you to do or don't do anything with the information. You can > use the ideas for everything you want as long as you don't violate > the copyright by directly copying large portions and distributing

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Ian D. Stewart
Bernd Kreimeier wrote: > Mark Wielaard wrote: > > When you have not agreed to a license/contract the publisher can not > > force you to do or don't do anything with the information. You can > > use the ideas for everything you want as long as you don't violate > > the copyright by directly copyin

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Paul Fisher
Bernd Kreimeier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sun is taking the stance that copyright on specifications prohibits > implementation of these specifications w/o a license. Sun does indeed take this bogus stance. We choose to ignore it. Sun interprets copyright law far too broadly. > To my unders

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Daniel L. Rall
> Furthermore, it is non-sensical that you are violating a > copyright by implementing the ideas expressed by a > copyrighted specification. Copyright is the protection of > "expression of ideas", not the ideas themselves. > Copyright protects the particular expression, not the ideas > themselves

Missing JDK 1.1 Classes

1999-12-20 Thread Mark Benvenuto
java.awt.image is basically done and you can blame Brian Jones and I for that. I still need to finish a few scattered methods but that will wait for after my last final ( Yes, I still have finals :( ) and probably Christmas. java.applet.* <--- Aaron you said this as finished but where i

Re: Working from javadoc; J2EE

1999-12-20 Thread Bernd Kreimeier
Paul Fisher wrote: > > Sun is taking the stance that copyright on specifications prohibits > > implementation of these specifications w/o a license. > > Sun does indeed take this bogus stance. We choose to ignore it. > Sun interprets copyright law far too broadly. Interesting. I don't know whet

Announcement: libgcj and GNU Classpath merge

1999-12-20 Thread Paul Fisher
The FSF and Cygnus have agreed, in principle, to merge the libgcj and Classpath projects together. The general framework: 1. libgcj and Classpath will both change licensing terms to the GPL with the following exception: /* As a special exception, if you link this library with other files

Re: Announcement: libgcj and GNU Classpath merge

1999-12-20 Thread Mark Benvenuto
Paul Fisher wrote: > The FSF and Cygnus have agreed, in principle, to merge the libgcj and > Classpath projects together. > > The general framework: > > 1. libgcj and Classpath will both change licensing terms to the GPL >with the following exception: > > /* As a special exception, if you li

Re: Announcement: libgcj and GNU Classpath merge

1999-12-20 Thread Bernd Kreimeier
Paul Fisher wrote: > /* As a special exception, if you link this library with other files > to produce an executable, this library does not by itself cause > the resulting executable to be covered by the GNU General Public > License. This exception does not however invalidate any oth