Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On 3/17/16, 10:47 AM, "Zach Tellman" wrote: > I'm writing a book about Clojure, aimed at people who already know the core > concepts, and want to use them more effectively. Loved the free chapter. Buying a copy for everyone on my team,

Emacs cider mode has problems with macros

Something unusual happens when I'm writing macros while in modes cider and ClojureC with autocomplete enabled. I have a macro derive-component (definition is too long to put in here). When I attempt to use this macro, as follows: ;; s refers to schema.core in this context (derive-component

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

>> If the app-state has changed then it starts re-rendering the UI. That's pretty much exactly what fn-fx does in the latest version, with two caveats: 1) there's no timer, just a watch on an atom. 2) If you properly diff components you don't need to re-create them every time, just change the

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On Mar 17, 2016 2:10 PM, "JvJ" wrote: > > So far, this appears to be primarily focused on style and programming practice. Is that going to be the primary focus of the book? that would be a Fine Thing, imo. but maybe you should call it "Elements of Clojure Style." > > > On

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

I changed the link to the Leanpub one. I think the content type may have been wrong before, which maybe Android is overly sensitive to. Glad it's working now. On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 6:24 PM Gregg Reynolds wrote: > > On Mar 19, 2016 4:16 PM, "Zach Tellman"

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On Mar 19, 2016 4:16 PM, "Zach Tellman" wrote: > > The files have worked everywhere I've tried them. I've linked everything to the Leanpub download, just to reduce any change of divergent behavior, but I'm not sure there's more I can do. Thank you for the report, though, I'm

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On Mar 19, 2016 7:07 PM, "jjttjj" wrote: > > FWIW, I also tried to download the sample PDF on my Android phone (Nexus 5) and got the same error, but I tried twice more and on the third time it just worked. So maybe just keep trying? > sounds like android fones have a too -

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

Paul, yeap, Seesaw is definitely something worth considering. Dave Ray hasn't abandoned the project, but I sent a personal email to him asking about the state of the project and it does seem the Seesaw is in more of a maintenance phase than a continue to move forward and improve phase. Dave Ray,

Re: Nesting semantics for the thread last operator

They are a logical consequence of the machine. ->> is a mechanical transformation taking a form (->> x (a ... w)) turning it into (a ... w x), and this same mechanical transformation is in place when nested. You example expands in steps like: (->> a b c (->> d e f)) (->> (b a) c (->> d e f))

ANN: ClojureScript 1.8.34

ClojureScript, the Clojure compiler that emits JavaScript source code. README and source code: https://github.com/clojure/clojurescript Leiningen dependency information: [org.clojure/clojurescript "1.8.34"] There are many minor fixes in this release around bootstrapped ClojureScript. This

Nesting semantics for the thread last operator

=> (clojure.walk/macroexpand-all '(->> a b c (->> d e f))) (c (b a) (f (e d))) I was hoping that it would return (f (e d) (c (b a))) Can someone here explain the rationale for the current semantics? Context: some of the queries towards the end of this post.

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

FWIW, I also tried to download the sample PDF on my Android phone (Nexus 5) and got the same error, but I tried twice more and on the third time it just worked. So maybe just keep trying? On Saturday, March 19, 2016 at 5:47:20 PM UTC-4, Gregg Reynolds wrote: > > > On Mar 19, 2016 4:16 PM, "Zach

Re: Clojure as first language

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:12 AM, gvim wrote: > Better to get a foundation in Javascript, Python/Ruby and Java first then > add Clojure later. > Disagree. It's easier to go from functional programming to imperative programming than vice versa, so it is better to teach

Re: Error with company-mode autocomplete

Solved by adding the seq-library to my load path: https://github.com/NicolasPetton/seq.el On Saturday, 19 March 2016 15:13:40 UTC-7, JvJ wrote: > > I downloaded a new emacs config ( > https://github.com/clojure-emacs/example-config), and it appears to be > using company for auto-completion.

[ANN] Marginalia 0.9.0 / lein-marginalia released

After a rough start as a new maintainer of these libraries my personal life has stabilized to the point where I can be an active maintainer. I'm hoping to do more enhancements but for now I can promise that changes to Clojure and Clojurescript that break Marginalia will be resolved and pushed

Error with company-mode autocomplete

I downloaded a new emacs config (https://github.com/clojure-emacs/example-config), and it appears to be using company for auto-completion. However, the autocomplete never works. I get the following error each time: Error while checking syntax automatically: (void-function seq-find) [2

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On Mar 19, 2016 4:16 PM, "Zach Tellman" wrote: > > The files have worked everywhere I've tried them. I've linked everything to the Leanpub download, just to reduce any change of divergent behavior, but I'm not sure there's more I can do. Thank you for the report, though, I'm

Re: [ANN] Inlein 0.1.0

On 14 March 2016 at 19:45, Christopher Small wrote: > I know that planck (http://planck-repl.org/) has successfully achieved > cljs scripting capacity on OSX (and I've heard there's progress on Linux > support as well, but am fuzzy on the details). Do you think support for

Re: ANN: ClojureScript 1.8.34

Thanks, David! I get those warnings when compiling via "lein figwheel": WARNING: Unknown option ':compiler-env'. WARNING: Unknown option ':special-fns'. WARNING: Unknown option ':warn-on-undeclared'. Otherwise, everything seems fine. Rangel On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 11:04:46 AM UTC-7,

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

I definitely don't want to get into a pointless legal discussion! Obviously everyone's situation- and legal interpretation thereof- is different, yadda yadda. Will just say in passing having gone through the language of the EPL and other licenses with IP lawyers on a few separate occasions over

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

The files have worked everywhere I've tried them. I've linked everything to the Leanpub download, just to reduce any change of divergent behavior, but I'm not sure there's more I can do. Thank you for the report, though, I'm sure you're not the only one seeing this. On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 2:08 PM

Re: Emacs cider mode has problems with macros

You might have better luck asking in the cider-emacs group, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/cider-emacs or even more active, the Gitter chat: https://gitter.im/clojure-emacs/cider -James On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:01:23 PM UTC-5, JvJ wrote: > > > > Something unusual happens

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On Mar 19, 2016 3:46 PM, "Zach Tellman" wrote: > > Do you get the same error for http://samples.leanpub.com/elementsofclojure-sample.pdf? > Oy. it might be the email client, who knows? when I click on the leanpub.com link in my email client I get a "downloading" msg, then

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On Mar 19, 2016 3:34 PM, "Gregg Reynolds" wrote: > > > On Mar 19, 2016 3:32 PM, "Zach Tellman" wrote: > > > > Is this the PDF from elementsofclojure.com or leanpub.com? They should be the same, but I just want to make sure I know all the details. > > the

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

Do you get the same error for http://samples.leanpub.com/elementsofclojure-sample.pdf? On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 1:40 PM Gregg Reynolds wrote: > > On Mar 19, 2016 3:34 PM, "Gregg Reynolds" wrote: > > > > > > On Mar 19, 2016 3:32 PM, "Zach Tellman"

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On Mar 19, 2016 3:32 PM, "Zach Tellman" wrote: > > Is this the PDF from elementsofclojure.com or leanpub.com? They should be the same, but I just want to make sure I know all the details. the former. > > On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 1:07 PM Gregg Reynolds

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

Is this the PDF from elementsofclojure.com or leanpub.com? They should be the same, but I just want to make sure I know all the details. On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 1:07 PM Gregg Reynolds wrote: > > On Mar 17, 2016 12:47 PM, "Zach Tellman" wrote: > > > >

Re: [ANN] Inlein 0.1.0

For completeness: ~/clj > cat hello-inlein.clj #!/usr/bin/env inlein '{ :dependencies [[org.clojure/clojure "1.8.0"]] } (println "hello world!") ~/clj > cat hello-lein-exec.clj #!/usr/bin/env lein-exec (println "hello world!") -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

I understand your position (you have bosses that you have to answer to), but I would like to thank you for reminding me to thank Rich for choosing the license that is unfriendly to software patent litigators. here is how I look at this: there is a wonderful free software that lots of people

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

On Mar 17, 2016 12:47 PM, "Zach Tellman" wrote: > > I'm writing a book about Clojure, aimed at people who already know the core concepts, and want to use them more effectively. The first chapter, "Names", is complete and can be read for free. Details can be found at

Re: Clojure as first language

On 21/02/2016 10:45, Terje Dahl wrote: I believe that the simplicity of Clojure's syntax in combination with its clean functional nature and prefix notation makes it ideal as a "first language" for anyone who wants to start programming - including, and perhaps especially kids. Is there anything

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

On Mar 19, 2016 5:33 AM, "Sam Halliday" wrote: > > Thanks Aleksander, > > However it's quite the opposite: I'd like to be able to use Clojure in production environments but I cannot because the EPL is an extremely dangerous licence for an IPR-heavy company to use as their

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

Thanks Bozhidar. I agree that the "default name" sections can be expanded a bit, and some related rules may also fall into the second chapter. I don't think I'll stray too far from what's in your guide. On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 11:05 AM Bozhidar Batsov wrote: > Seems to me

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

Admitedly, the Apache 2.0 does have a patent retaliation clause. It's just subtely different :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

On Mar 19, 2016 10:51 AM, "Sam Halliday" wrote: > > It's got nothing to do with contributing to Clojure (the Grant of Right > is standard in all modern free software licences). The problem is the > patent retaliation clause, which I quote from Section 7 of the >

[ANN] Klipse 0.0.1 - a simple and elegant online cljs compiler and evaluator

We are happy to bring to the cljs community KLIPSE - a simple and elegant online cljs compiler and evaluator. You can give it a try here

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

Jason Felice writes: > This same verbiage appears in the Apache license and the Artistic license This is false. What I quoted is the EPL patent retaliation clause and Apache 2.0 has no such clause. Perhaps you are thinking about the Apache 2.0's Grant of Patent clause, which is similar to EPL's

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

You can diff JavaFX components like that? -- Jason Zwolak On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Timothy Baldridge wrote: > >> If the app-state has changed then it starts re-rendering the UI. > > That's pretty much exactly what fn-fx does in the latest version, with two >

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

I specifically know of a large corporation with a strict legal team which has rejected React's license, but accepted both the Eclipse and Apache public licenses. React's license has a similar but much broader clause with respect to patents. Sam's claim, 'I can only guess that the current use of

Re: Clojure as first language

one word: redstone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

Seems to me that some more Clojure-specific naming rules can be incorporated into the first chapter (e.g. like the ones we have here https://github.com/bbatsov/clojure-style-guide/#naming). Other than this small remark - excellent work! On 19 March 2016 at 13:20, Val Waeselynck

Re: New Matrix Multiplication benchmarks - Neanderthal up to 60 times faster than core.matrix with Vectorz

Well, will disagree about some things, but agree very much about others--probably all practical matters. Some of your remarks seem valuable. Some don't seem relevant to me. Ah well, we're just talking here. Not everything needs to matter. Your point about thriving, competing libraries is

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

Hi Timothy, I'm really glad to see some new commits on fn(fx)! I don't know about others, but you'll definitely have at least one very enthusiastic user if I can get to a point where I can use it easily for simple things, and adapt/contribute for more complex things. Do you think the project is

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

It's got nothing to do with contributing to Clojure (the Grant of Right is standard in all modern free software licences). The problem is the patent retaliation clause, which I quote from Section 7 of the [EPL](http://www.eclipse.org/legal/epl-v10.html) "If Recipient institutes patent

Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

Can you elaborate a little more on those nightmare scenarios? From my (amateur) reading of the EPL, it looks like the patent clauses apply to contributors to the program. In this case, Clojure. Does developing something in Clojure force you to release it under the EPL? -- You received this

Re: Clojure as first language

> On Mar 17, 2016, at 11:10 AM, blake watson wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Lee Spector wrote: > > > Is "lein new app foo" that complicated? > > If I understand Paul correctly—and am not just imposing my own similar > feelings on

Re: [ANN] Inlein 0.1.0

Hi - Looks nice. On my computer (1-year-old Ubuntu 15.10, medium desktop from ZaReason), inlein is a little faster than lein-exec, about 1.7x ratio: ~/clj > for xx in 1 2 3 ; do time hello-inlein.clj ; done hello world! hello-inlein.clj 0.64s user 0.03s system 129% cpu 0.523 total hello world!

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

Zach - that's great, can't wait to read all of it! Rangel On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 10:47:55 AM UTC-7, Zach Tellman wrote: > > I'm writing a book about Clojure, aimed at people who already know the > core concepts, and want to use them more effectively. The first chapter, > "Names", is

Re: Clojure as first language

On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Lee Spector wrote: > Is "lein new app foo" that complicated? If I understand Paul correctly—and am not just imposing my own similar feelings on him—the problem is not that "lein new app foo" is complicated, it's that it creates a

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

The chapter on naming is brilliant, I rarely learned so much in so few pages :) So far I have found the content to be more about 'philosophical' programming notions than Clojure specifically, but the parts about Clojure are useful and pratical. You may want to state more explicitly how this

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

It uses the same sort of logic that React does. Fn-fx creates a virtual dom, and then diffs the previous virtual dom against the updated one. From there you get a list of necessary updates. JavaFX has a rather uniform property interface so applying these updates is quite simple. On Thu, Mar 17,

Re: Clojure as first language

Have you come across any *new* programmers who think in terms of bit twiddling? I agree with Mark - this tends to be intuitive once you've learned that that is all there is. This might have been the case long ago when people started programming by learning about how CPUs work, but computers are so

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

That sounds great Timothy, thanks! On 18 March 2016 at 06:32, Timothy Baldridge wrote: > It uses the same sort of logic that React does. Fn-fx creates a virtual > dom, and then diffs the previous virtual dom against the updated one. From > there you get a list of necessary

Re: Similar lisps and emacs reimplementations?

Thanks Aleksander, However it's quite the opposite: I'd like to be able to use Clojure in production environments but I cannot because the EPL is an extremely dangerous licence for an IPR-heavy company to use as their language to develop core technology. The patent retaliation clause provides

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

This could be React on desktop, +1 for that :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

Inline below.. Dave On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Jason Zwolak wrote: > Paul, yeap, Seesaw is definitely something worth considering. Dave Ray > hasn't abandoned the project, but I sent a personal email to him asking > about the state of the project and it does seem the

Re: [ANN] Inlein 0.1.0

It would be nice to allow reload of the script from the REPL (with a special command). Another thing, is there a way to package the script and its dependencies into an executable (like lein bin does)? On Sunday, 13 March 2016 16:09:22 UTC+2, Jean Niklas L'orange wrote: > > Hi all Clojurians, >

Re: Clojure as first language

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 12:10:21 PM UTC-5, blake watson wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 2:42 PM, Lee Spector > wrote: > > > Is "lein new app foo" that complicated? > > If I understand Paul correctly—and am not just imposing my own similar > feelings on him—the

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

I'm also interested in JavaFX from Clojure. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To

[ANN] Nightcode 1.1.0 now with Parinfer

Nightcode is an IDE for beginners -- or for hipsters who think emacs and intellij are too mainstream. Previously, it supported a subset of paredit commands, but I've always longed for some other way to avoid misbalanced parens, because paredit is difficult for beginners. Let's face it, Lisp has

Re: [ANN] Elements of Clojure

So far, this appears to be primarily focused on style and programming practice. Is that going to be the primary focus of the book? On Thursday, 17 March 2016 10:47:55 UTC-7, Zach Tellman wrote: > > I'm writing a book about Clojure, aimed at people who already know the > core concepts, and want

[ANN] Elements of Clojure

Read it and like it so far! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from

Re: Which GUI toolkit would you like to see wrapped in an idiomatic Clojure library?

I've been working on a "React for JavaFX" library for some time. Sadly I have no use for the library, so I haven't talked about it much yet. But the newest iteration has a interface I'm pretty happy with: https://github.com/halgari/fn-fx/blob/master/test/fn_fx/fx_dom_test.clj#L97-L145 If there

Re: Clojure as first language

Really depends on how the brain of the programmer is wired IMHO. To some people, the intuitive part of programming is fiddling with bits, to others it's all about abstraction. On Mar 17, 2016 9:32 PM, "Mark Engelberg" wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:12 AM, gvim