Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-07 Thread kirby urner
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 7:29 AM, kirby urner wrote: > > So in my Python for kid-newcomers, my back end has been > > (A) for 2D: POV-Ray, the free ray tracer (povray.org, CompuServ > license) and > (B) for 3D: a lot of Visual Python (vpython.org) -- once it came down > the pike, with VRML befor

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-07 Thread kirby urner
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:02 AM, Gary Verhaegen wrote: > Sorry for steering the discussion away from tooling, but have tou looked > at Racket and the research in teaching programming that's been going on > around it for the past ~20 years? > > One of their findings was that beginning with function

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-07 Thread Gary Verhaegen
Sorry for steering the discussion away from tooling, but have tou looked at Racket and the research in teaching programming that's been going on around it for the past ~20 years? One of their findings was that beginning with functional programming (1 semester FP followed by 1 semester OOP) yielded

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-07 Thread Colin Fleming
Note that IntelliJ will actually do Python and Clojure in the same (free, OSS) IDE if you only need the community edition of Python, i.e. you don't need support for frameworks like Django or the web stuff. If you do need the Ultimate edition of IntelliJ, you can get free licences for open source a

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-06 Thread kirby urner
To recap this thread: I started by looking at GitHub's Atom as an IDE for Asynchronous Learning Engine (ALE), a name I'm using for an Open Source project. I'm interested in Clojure + Java + Python as an example "flight path" through our "curriculum space". Turns out Eclipse is a strong candid

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-03 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Mark Engelberg wrote: > The main reason I mentioned Intellij was because I didn't know whether > there was a satisfactory Python plugin for Eclipse and you said you wanted > to do all three languages on one IDE. > > Gotcha. The answer is yes, it's called PyDev

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-03 Thread Mark Engelberg
I currently use Eclipse Counterclockwise and have me eye on Cursive (will evaluate it more seriously when it is officially released). Eclipse is reasonably well suited for beginners working in Clojure, I think. Certainly it has the simplest install process of any of the platforms right now. When

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-03 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Fluid Dynamics wrote: > On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 10:26:34 AM UTC-4, kirby urner wrote: >> >> >> (A) when a student hacks on a Python or Java project and want's mentor >> feedback, it's *not* a matter of the mentor remoting in to the student >> instance or acces

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-03 Thread Fluid Dynamics
On Monday, August 3, 2015 at 10:26:34 AM UTC-4, kirby urner wrote: > > > (A) when a student hacks on a Python or Java project and want's mentor > feedback, it's *not* a matter of the mentor remoting in to the student > instance or accessing the students V: drive. Rather, we have software > infr

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-03 Thread kirby urner
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:02 AM, Colin Fleming wrote: > For Clojure nothing beats emacs + CIDER >> > > As a clearly biased participant here (I develop Cursive) I'd like to > politely disagree with this. Lots of people are switching to Cursive from > Emacs, including many that you've heard of. Obvi

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-03 Thread Joe R. Smith
I’ll come out as an Emacs -> Cursive convert. I had been using emacs for Clojure development for 6+ years before I switched. Originally I had no intention of actually switching, but, as Colin suggested, I found enough additional value in Cursive to make my experimentation with Cursive permanent.

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-03 Thread Colin Fleming
> > For Clojure nothing beats emacs + CIDER > As a clearly biased participant here (I develop Cursive) I'd like to politely disagree with this. Lots of people are switching to Cursive from Emacs, including many that you've heard of. Obviously different strokes for different folks etc, but a lot of

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-02 Thread Jason Lewis
IntelliJ CE (the free version) has served me well for Java and (playing with) Cursive for Clojure. I can't speak to Python. For Clojure nothing beats emacs + CIDER, and emacs is a fine choice for Python. I generally stick to IntelliJ for Java, but I do know a few people who use emacs for Java and

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-02 Thread Mikera
If you want a free / open source alternative, then Eclipse also offers a great environment for developing Java, Clojure and Python. The Counterclockwise plugin for Eclipse is great - certainly has provided everything I want in a Clojure dev environment (integrated REPL, paredit mode, good synta

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-02 Thread Mark Engelberg
Intellij might be your best option for a unified development platform for Java, Clojure, and Python. It won't be free though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that post

Re: Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-08-02 Thread kirby urner
Having done some more research, I see Atom 1.0 is still very new which likely accounts for the a paucity of replies, an no Youtubes on the topic (that I could find). Anyway, it's not a set in stone requirement -- in the virtual school of my dreams [1] -- that every course should use the same IDE

Reality check: EC2 + Ubuntu + Atom (from GitHub) + Clojure?

2015-07-31 Thread kirby urner
My day job is teaching Python, but in a school that teaches much else besides. We're small and I'd say prototypical given how quickly the technology is evolving. The description in the blog post below is science fiction from my angle, but I'm aiming for a lot of realism: http://worldgame.blogspo