Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Josh Boyer
Hi All, I was hoping someone could clarify the use cases for the cloud image, particularly in light of the reductions being looked at (like removing python). I ask because I honestly don't know what purpose the cloud image is serving any longer. The atomic image is squarely targeted at being

Re: Fedora 22 is out, Fedora 23 is coming :)

2015-07-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Dusty Mabe du...@dustymabe.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 09:31:27AM -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 01:10:58PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Matthew Miller H -- what about making linux-firmware a

Re: Fedora 22 is out, Fedora 23 is coming :)

2015-07-10 Thread Dusty Mabe
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:16:49AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Dusty Mabe du...@dustymabe.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 07:44:25AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Dusty Mabe du...@dustymabe.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/10/2015 12:59 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: The atomic image is squarely targeted at being small, and for running containers. It is somewhat positioned as a CoreOS solution. With that being the case, I'm curious how the cloud image is different and not a repetitive image simply not using the

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Ryan Brown
On 07/10/2015 09:48 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 07:52:29AM -0500, Major Hayden wrote: Whenever I've spoken with customers about what they want from an OS in a virtual machine, they want it to contain a small package set that lets them run their automation on top of it

Re: Fedora 22 is out, Fedora 23 is coming :)

2015-07-10 Thread Dusty Mabe
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 07:44:25AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Dusty Mabe du...@dustymabe.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 09:31:27AM -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 01:10:58PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: In this case kernel-core could be

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-10 14:28 GMT+02:00 Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org: OK. So your answer to my immediate question is neutral base that people have to customize. Fair enough. Now, why would someone wish to choose a Fedora cloud image over Ubuntu or CoreOS or any of the other minimal base that

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/2015 12:59 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: The atomic image is squarely targeted at being small, and for running containers. It is somewhat positioned as a CoreOS solution. With that being the case, I'm curious how the

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/10/2015 04:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/2015 12:59 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: The atomic image is squarely targeted at being small, and for running containers. It is somewhat positioned as a CoreOS solution. With

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-10 15:59 GMT+02:00 Ryan Brown rybr...@redhat.com: On 07/10/2015 09:48 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 07:52:29AM -0500, Major Hayden wrote: Whenever I've spoken with customers about what they want from an OS in a virtual machine, they want it to contain a small

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Ryan Brown
On 07/10/2015 08:52 AM, Major Hayden wrote: On 07/10/2015 07:28 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: OK. So your answer to my immediate question is neutral base that people have to customize. Fair enough. Now, why would someone wish to choose a Fedora cloud image over Ubuntu or CoreOS or any of the

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 07:52:29AM -0500, Major Hayden wrote: Whenever I've spoken with customers about what they want from an OS in a virtual machine, they want it to contain a small package set that lets them run their automation on top of it (i.e. Ansible, Chef, Puppet). Removing Python

Re: Fedora 22 is out, Fedora 23 is coming :)

2015-07-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Dusty Mabe du...@dustymabe.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 07:44:25AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Dusty Mabe du...@dustymabe.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 09:31:27AM -0400, Dusty Mabe wrote: On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Matt Micene
More globally, our cloud image is still too fat compared to other distros by a large margin. What's a data supported target for an appropriate small enough sized Cloud image? OK, so I got curious. This is based on AWS, US West (Oregon). I compared current F22, Ubunutu 14.04, and openSuse

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 04:51:15PM +0100, Joe Brockmeier wrote: provided elsewhere that let you do that already. Conversely, atomic is compelling _because_ of the Atomic platform. Atomic has novelty (for now), decent technical advantages, and a lot more marketing behind it. Well, I

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/2015 04:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/2015 12:59 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: The atomic image is squarely targeted at being small, and for

Re: User feedback gathering plans?

2015-07-10 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/08/2015 07:17 PM, Honza Horak wrote: Thus, I'd like to find out whether there are some ideas already how to gather feedback from your users or whether you plan to do something where we can participate. I'm not aware of any, but we should probably discuss this - anybody have thoughts

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/10/2015 05:01 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/2015 04:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/2015 12:59 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: The atomic image is

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/2015 05:01 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com wrote: On 07/10/2015 04:42 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Joe Brockmeier j...@redhat.com

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Matt Micene
So what I'm really after is what sets Fedora Cloud apart from every other distro cloud image. What usecases is it better at than {Ubuntu, SuSE, whatever}. Given that logic, Fedora should stop everything but Atomic. The Cloud image should be Fedora optimized for the cloud instance

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Haïkel
2015-07-10 17:59 GMT+02:00 Matt Micene nzwul...@gmail.com: So what I'm really after is what sets Fedora Cloud apart from every other distro cloud image. What usecases is it better at than {Ubuntu, SuSE, whatever}. Given that logic, Fedora should stop everything but Atomic. The Cloud

SCLs and Cloud Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On 07/10/2015 04:59 PM, Matt Micene wrote: I think the Cloud SIG should be jumping up and down on getting SCLs back on track. What would this entail? I haven't been following that closely. I'm aware that SCLs have been... contentious. -- Joe Brockmeier | Community Team, OSAS j...@redhat.com |

Re: SCLs and Cloud Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Matt Micene
TBH, I'm not sure what can be done from the outside either. Not part of either the SCL team or FPC, all I see is what tickets and meeting logs I can find. So I'm not close enough to the issues either side is bringing up to understand if there's a customer argument to be made for perfect is the

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Matt Micene
Multiply this by the number of instances, and it could amount to few thousands dollars per month. Agreed, that could be an issue. More globally, our cloud image is still too fat compared to other distros by a large margin. I'd like to see data. The end user will wind up paying for all

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 02:30:43PM -0400, Matt Micene wrote: So we are currently the smallest uploaded AMI and consuming the least amount of available space in base, current version, community AMIs. Now there's a quote. :) -- Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org Fedora Project Leader

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Haïkel
Awesome, it wasn't the case a year ago. H. ___ cloud mailing list cloud@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/cloud Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Cloud image use cases

2015-07-10 Thread Matt Micene
Now we can focus on making the Docker Base image as small as possible to include heroic efforts ;-) On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Haïkel hgue...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Awesome, it wasn't the case a year ago. H. ___ cloud mailing list