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a unique purposes and is carefully maintained. Fedora Cloud is
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and then language stacks via SCLs. Adding those was where the utility
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to be really useful unless they're all-in on Fedora, many
people will want the python version for their
infrastructure/environment, not whichever python we happen to ship in a
given release.
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don't need
grubby anyway and it doesn't matter what language it's written in.
And maybe that's the best path.
This really kind of baffles me. I would love to hear the reasoning
behind it.
I think because it's one of the biggest and most complex things in
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I'm very sympathetic to his wish to have it no longer be in C, but if
we _really_ are moving to getting python out
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And, yeah, it's really too late to be putting more demands on this
year's Flock.
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embarrassing by using to emphasize the two-week
images coming up. And then actually figuring out how to make that
happen and do it.
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a couple of
rounds and then (after the F22 release and associated everything calms
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for some reasons. (Up for
discussion — that's why this is in phase 3!)
11. More what else?
Does this seem basically sane and in line with what people are
expecting? What's missing? What's extra? What's just wrong? :)
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for. This area _definitely_ needs clear details, I agree.
Thanks Dennis!
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I know these are in fedmsg somewhere or something, but for testers'
convenience, what are the AMI ids for RC2?
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, unless the updates you
need are built in, you have to have an update+reboot built into the
deployment cycle. I think, really, the NFS thing is just an example --
the two-week updates are going to be important.
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be proposed as
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Yes -- otherwise it won't get included in the composes and will be
shipped as a zero-day update.
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since atomic is nonblocking.)
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they're at events (etc.), and for
anybody who's talking to press about the F22 release.
Hey everyone! Any progress / ideas for this? The cloud section needs
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Did I miss something, or when did we decide to add screen? IIRC that
was discussed and rejected, as we already provide tmux.
+1 to just tmux
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installed needed to run those programs. Right now, IDLE and 2to3 a
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If this sounds good to people, I can start the conversation with the
web team. The initial Atomic page will probably look basically like the
Docker one linked above, but could eventually grow its own design.
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That works for me. Any volunteers for actually working on making
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been ruled out, the next best thing is a CentOS
Atomic that tracks RHEL Atomic.
It's not completely ruled out; we're just not feeling ready for it yet.
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the plan, on a _much_ faster timeframe. So, it's
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to include most of that
configuration is a future work item (that I don't think anyone is
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-two-week releases, and as graduating from the cloud umbrella,
or about its at-F22 state and as a Cloud SIG/WG output?
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-for-developers story. Because as much as we'd like to get all
software devs running Fedora on their desktops, a lot, lot more are
running Windows. So, whichever way we can get in, we should.
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-kickstarts.git/tree/fedora-cloud-base-vagrant.ks
You'll probably need to flatten the includes.
Was someone able to test this? I'm not really a vagrant user
If we have images, I can test them today.
Did anyone get a chance to do anything here? I know last week was a
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The latest nightly build[1] passed through Tunir, without the missing
eth0 issue[2].
[1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=9359447
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1204612
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I don't know about Microsoft, but Atomic aims to be a lot more than
just a boot to docker platform, including application orchestration.
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). And of course, with my employer's hat on, if you want
certification and support, RHEL Atomic is always there for you (on a
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of someone to make and test the needed changes?
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 08:41:55PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
I think Matthew Miller said he added the kickstart file, need to see
what else needs to be done there.
Someone needs to test that it works, and make any needed changes.
Send me the kickstart file and I'll spin a version using
default, there'd only be one).
I won't speak for everyone, but I *think* the general cloud attitude
here is to use private/public keys and certificate-based auth instead of
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 04:19:33PM -0600, Derek Carter wrote:
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
I think Matthew Miller said he added the kickstart file, need to see
what else needs to be done there.
Someone needs to test that it works, and make any needed changes
in runtime memory use.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
I think Matthew Miller said he added the kickstart file, need to see
what else needs to be done there.
Someone needs to test that it works, and make any needed changes.
That someone _might_ be me, but if we want it before next
could
install
dnf-yum by default? What do others think?
See discussion at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1312
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the rest of glibc. So, the question
-- I guess mostly for FESCo, but in general -- is: should we get this
in before the beta, or should it wait for F23?
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-vagrant.ks to
fedora-cloud-base-vagrant.ks and replacing %include
fedora-cloud-atomic.ks with %include fedora-cloud-base.ks _may_ be
all that's needed there. In fact, I'll go ahead and do that now.
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it in Fedora 23
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Vagrant_Box_Atomic is an
accepted change, and includes both Fedora Atomic Host and Fedora
Cloud flavors. I think this is just an oversight / miscommunication.
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live together
under Project Atomic?
That'd definitely be interesting. (As would a combined registry of
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On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 03:40:07PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
Oh, good. For a minute, I thought I had imagined that we had asked for
Atomic Cloud and was going to feel very bad.
Still needs someone to create the kickstart file. It looks offhand that
just copying fedora-cloud-atomic
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 03:35:53PM -0400, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
Missing anything egregious? Anything wildly inaccurate?
+1 for cromulent.
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?), but it's
definitely something to plan for _before_ we end up in a corner.
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already). I don't think we should
rely on a side-effect for it to get included or not included.
Particularly, since it isn't completely compatible, we should be
consistent with whether yum or dnf-yum is installed.
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the wrong thing.
If development is done in Rawhide but also released to $current on a
two-week cycle, I might have other worries, but this wouldn't be one of
them. :)
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a helpful layer of separation, because if we had a
side tag in koji or even a whole new repo meant to be layered, those
wouldn't need to be enabled on anyone's actual system — just for ostree
compose. That's probably getting ahead of things here, though. :)
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tar.gz because gz alone wasn't doing the right thing with
sparse files (offhand if I recall, gz in Fedora is fine, but in
RHEL6/CentOS6, no).
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the former, it might be _better_ to not
over-promote it in that way.
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different things and present in parallel, as
we've been doing.
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(But note that glibc-common is deceptive, because without a better
technical approach available right now, RPM doesn't properly understand
that the translations have not been installed.)
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— and 241MB uncompressed. Something _additionally_ weird is going on.
Are you interested in taking point on this for Fedora 22? Or finding a
handful of people who are interested in working with the Base WG to
figure it out?
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made from this kickstart —
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/tree/fedora-docker-base.ks
and fed through ImageFactory in Koji to produce a tarball of / as the
output.
How about dracut? Does that need to be there?
It seems very unlikely.
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, but... at
least you can log in with FAS id.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 03:07:12PM -0700, Dmitry Makovey wrote:
Does it mean that soon enough we'll see an updated AMI with moderate
disk demands?
For some value of soon enough, yeah. Sorry about that -- I'm checking
with David Gay, who wrote the uploader.
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the f21
release.
We should have a nightly test check of some sort which alerts when
new packages are pulled in via dependency to the nightly image builds.
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our
biggest out-of-box memory consumer that's a big win just for that. Plus
initscripts are deprecated so we should get with the program. :)
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cloudtoserver.noarch : Tool to convert Fedora Cloud instance to Fedora
Server instance
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inquiries, so it'd be nice to have these
added to
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F21_screenshots_library
today and tomorrow, if anyone is up for the challenge.
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with sure, as long as there's actually people eager to
participate, and _that_ came back with people saying yeah, we're
vaguely interested, but what does it mean, exactly?
And that's where we are. :)
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lists are primarily for
development of Fedora in those areas. I'm going to remove those from
the list and reply just on the users list, which is an appropriate
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On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 11:59:55AM -0500, Tim Ski wrote:
I can always go to legal back at FINRA (where I work) and get something if
you want?
That would be great!
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The installer still isn't fully cloudified and really only makes
sense for cloud images when used with our kickstarts from
https://git.fedorahosted.org/cgit/spin-kickstarts.git/tree/. But, hey,
might as well make it pretty.
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Whoops forgot to change the subject. YOu can test both, of course. :)
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-west-2 | ami-f7256fc7
eu-west-1 | ami-7ec97e09
eu-central-1| ami-6072437d
ap-southeast-1 | ami-9c6547ce
ap-northeast-1 | ami-4d655e4c
ap-southeast-2 | ami-4f3c5275
sa-east-1 | ami-676ddb7a
(Check David Gay's gpg-signed message to verify, too.)
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/commit/?h=f21id=5d545a55223e024db28d393e678862d3753a2c6d
Basically that AMI is OK, but the next one will be broken unless it picks up
the latest commit there.
Currently, what causes a compose to pick up a given commit?
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this? (Or ostree updates in
general?)
It'd be pretty awesome to have a test plan:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_package_test_plan_creation
Once created, these magically show up in Bodhi for testers to follow.
#helpwanted :)
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See http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=8104289
It looks basically good. Still missing docker storage setup, though.
That package is built and pushed to stable, so I guess it's just
missing from the json?)
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:10:08PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
See http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=8104289
It looks basically good. Still missing docker storage setup, though.
That package is built and pushed to stable, so I guess it's just
missing from the json?)
Nope
-wide change without direct releng and anaconda commitments, but
even with that it might still be system-wide for other reasons.
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 02:27:11PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
I mean, the package pulls it in. I haven't investigated the details.
Oooh. Hm maybe this is just a problem which will go away if
python-boto is pulled in _explicitly_ -- I see that python3-boto is
actually a subpackage. Let me
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 02:35:56PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
I mean, the package pulls it in. I haven't investigated the details.
Oooh. Hm maybe this is just a problem which will go away if
python-boto is pulled in _explicitly_ -- I see that python3-boto is
actually a subpackage
Okay! Let's get some karma added to
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-14606/python-boto-2.34.0-4.fc21
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but it's egregious to pull in both 2 and 3.
Options:
1. does heat-cfntools hard-require python-boto?
2. can we use a python-boto that isn't python3 before we're ready?
(there was supposed to be a coherent plan for this!)
3. should we drop heat-cfntools for f21?
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needs testing — let's get this into F21 (and, more to the point, into
test candidates, so we can make sure it's thoroughly tested).
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to the graphics, which would
possibly need to be adjusted if anaconda changes (but wouldn't need
changing just for graphics refresh). It also contain basically anything
else we want to override from anaconda defaults (including code).
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 10:37:02AM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
These are the two patches that should go on f21, backported from master. And
only the first is really needed.
Applied. Don't we also need Point to dl.fedoraproject.org?
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decision? Cloud WG, releng,
infrastructure, mirrors? Let's get it made quickly.
In the meantime, I'd argue that changing it for the test candidates is
a step forward from the internal URL.
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On Wed, Nov 05, 2014 at 12:20:38PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
Who are the stakeholders for that final decision? Cloud WG, releng,
infrastructure, mirrors? Let's get it made quickly.
In the meantime, I'd argue that changing it for the test candidates is
a step forward from the internal URL
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1160833
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On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:41:27AM -0600, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
Do we have any way of seeing how many people actually use the 32-bit AMI
on AWS?
Unfortunately, not really.
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in emergencies. We've got people on
this -- let's get it done with the actual release — there's still a
month to go. (Two weeks of unfrozen, two where we can request
exceptions but hopefully won't need to.)
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location is good enough for now and just using that might save
wrangling.
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about extlinux because an
unrelated change you hadn't pulled. Can you rebase for f21? They don't
apply cleanly -- I think just for minor things but I'll need more focus
than I have right now to do it right. (Will look again tomorrow.)
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releng box will be simple once we
determine where the trees will live on /pub.
Is it https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/fedora-atomic/ ?
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karma on
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-13940/kubernetes-0.4+-0.9.git8e1d416.fc21
?) and cockpit and whatever else is considered the
state-of-atomic-today?
Once that's ready, we can ask releng for a test candidate.
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of the agenda items
and/or responsibilities of the meeting chair?
Good idea, thanks. I'll try to get this done before Thursday.
Also, please admire my overly-clever wiki hacking by which the template
automatically contains the date for the current week.
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And yes, this needs to all be different for f22.
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status notes from folks who can't attend as one of the agenda items
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