[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-14 Thread anjana
Dear Daniel, That was a typo, we all have 23 pairs of normal chromosomes so 46(X,Y) [20] hopefully soon if your report does not read so already ;-) Believe me, my husband is trying to get out of his 2 year BMA and I have full sympathy with all CML patients. We have junior docs practicing the

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-13 Thread daniel
anjana thanks for your very lucid description of the different flavors of cytogenetics analysis (and just to be clear both karyotyping and g- banding are both cytogentics analyses). also, let's hope that my bmb results don't indicate i have 'all 36 chromosomes'--that would be very bad news indeed.

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-13 Thread Trey
I think Daniel is reflecting what most of us see happening. Namely, the 12 month BMB for patients who are responding well seems to be disappearing, even though some continue to cling to the more conservative approach of doing a BMB every 12 months. Dr Druker's patients report that he stretches B

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-13 Thread anjana
Dear Daniel, When you have a bone marrow aspiration (BMA) or a bone marrow biopsy (BMB), the lab will take the aspirated marrow and culture 20 metaphase (dividing) cells. Then by a technique called G Banding, the lab tech can look into the microscope and see all 36 chromosomes in each of your

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-12 Thread daniel
thanks for your thought anjana. you raise a topic that is receiving a lot of attention in recent cml research--the presence of chromosomal abnormalities (CA) in PH- cells. i think the 3 abstracts you posted are pretty representative of the literature in that the two statistical analyses indicated

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-12 Thread anjana
Dear Daniel, It is recommended to do a BMB every 6 months until CCR by the CML experts and yearly after that. While you are right that the BCR-ABL mutations give rise to Gleevec resistance, the reason doctors still insist on BMBs for karyotyping is that in rare cases, additional chromosomal ab

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-11 Thread daniel
thanks timothy, just to clarify, both chromosomal abnormalities and point mutations are mutations--the difference is a matter of scale. point mutations are small-scale events involving only a few SNPs while 'chromosomal abnormalities' (e.g., translocations, isochromosomes, trisomy, etc...) are lar

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-11 Thread Suzieq
Daniel; Welcome to our group.. I just wanted to let you know that all doctors are not "BMB" happy.I've seen five different hema/onc. since my diagnosis back in January 2004.& my latest says that she only does one if she sees something in the peripheral blood that indicates c

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Daniel There are point mutations and there can be chromosome abnormalities. First the mutations. A point mutation in the BCR-ABL gene changes the protein folding such that its harder (varying degrees) for one of the drugs to bind to the BCR-ABL protein to turn it "off". Its difficult to put a

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-10 Thread daniel
trey and timothy, thanks for your thoughts. i spoke to my onc today and asked him similar questions and it seems the consensus is that the primary advantage of the bmb is that karyotyping can detect gross mutations. i'm going to go ahead and have it done for my upcoming 6 month appt, but am still

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-10 Thread Trey
Daniel, Just to add a couple items. BMB certainly looks for things that PCR and FISH cannot see, as outlined above. The best uses of a BMB are at diagnosis (where it is very necessary) and after that for early detection of additional chromosomal mutations that might infer potential disease progr

[CMLHope] Re: how necessary are bone marrow biopsies?

2008-03-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Daniel, you have studied well. You raise a very valid point. I think the number of bone marrow biopsies is being discussed among the experts and will decrease in the near future. Couple points. Karyotyping Cytogenetics looks at cells in metaphases. Most will probably be myeloid in nature but