Yea on several gulf of Mexico crossings we were in conditions with powerful following seas including one time from Key West to Pensacola where we surfed, literally surfed big waves for a few days. GPS Speeds 11knts. This was by far one of the most surreal and exhilarating sailing experiences .. so far. Crew commented that boat felt very stable and i agreed we remained in control entire time. Conditions were right - Broad reach-running in 18 - 20 knots.
Steve C&C 34/36+ Deja Vu' On Nov 1, 2014, at 4:31 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? (Dave Moore) > 2. Re: Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 (Steve Thomas) > 3. Re: Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 (Chuck S) > 4. atomic 4 fogging engine (jimmy kelly) > 5. Re: Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 (Danny Haughey) > 6. Re: atomic 4 fogging engine (jimmy kelly) > 7. Re: Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? (Ken Heaton) > 8. Re: Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 (Josh Muckley) > 9. Re: Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? (Josh Muckley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:20:44 -0700 > From: Dave Moore <drolfmo...@yahoo.com> > To: Robert Mazza <robertlma...@gmail.com>, "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: C&C Mailing List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Stus-List Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? > Message-ID: <7d527018-b191-4ab2-968c-071923b86...@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Any 37R, Plus or XL skippers like to comment on the willingness of their > boats to surf waves? > Thank you > Dave > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> As long as we are comparing "war stories", despite previously maligning IOR >> hulls, the fastest I've gone in a keel boat was on Marauder in the long >> distance race of the 1975 Canada's Cup on Lake St. Clair, when it was >> blowing the shingles off the roof, and we had a #2 on the spinnaker pole. >> The bow wave was breaking at the chain plates, and the speedo was pegged at >> it's max reading of 12 Kts for a long time. That was before GPS, so we >> really had no idea how fast we were going. And that was with a tiller >> steered boat. Marauder could out reach Golden Dazy easily, but couldn't >> touch her upwind. Dazy took the series,3-2, winning all the "inshore" races. >> >> Rob Mazza >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> The 35 MK I does not come close to planning like a modern sport boat. >> >> The best I have done in flat water is 11 knots boatspeed with 50-60 knots on >> the stern and the working job up. At that speed the stern is sunk nearly to >> water level. In any kind of the waves the boat will surf/plane DOWN the >> waves, but you drop speed on the upside. Max speed I think I have ever seen >> is 15-16 knots surfing down 20 footers . The only C&C I have ever seen plane >> like a Laser would be the SR-21. I think the only true ?planing? C&C s would >> be the SR series and maybe the newest 30 foot model. >> >> >> >> Joe Della Barba >> >> Coquina C&C 35 MK I >> >> >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robert >> Mazza via CnC-List >> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:08 PM >> To: Dave Moore >> Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Planing/Surfing C&C hulls? >> >> >> >> Not a definitive analysis, but my recollection is that the older CCA type >> hulls, C&C 35s, 43s, and certainly the 61s were better off the wind than the >> later IOR influenced hulls, which were better upwind than the older boats. >> However, it would be interesting to hear from owners on that subject. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Dave Moore <drolfmo...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Rob and Hank, >> >> Did any of the C&C models have a particular strength in surfing (or planing) >> down wind in 15 to 20 knots true wind speed? Years ago I recall talking to >> Rob Ball about the importance of prismatic coefficient in surfing >> performance but I was remiss in not asking what C&C models have the >> strongest surfing potential. >> >> Thank you >> >> Dave >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Oct 30, 2014, at 3:14 PM, henry evans via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Rob, >> >> >> >> Your knowledge of the history of C&C designs is truly amazing. I enjoyed >> reading your tutorial. >> >> >> >> I never knew Eric was in the kitchen business. After I and a bunch of >> others left the faltering C&C, I spent 10 years in brick manufacturing which >> landed me in Des Moines, Iowa. Exiting that business, I bought an >> Architectural Millwork company and two years later a kitchen cabinet >> manufacturing and remodeling company. We ran those two for 20 years, >> quadrupled their size and sold them to retire on our trawler. And we did a >> few boat interior remodels as well, both power and sail. Our C&C 29 >> "Illusion" is still winning races on Lake Rathbun, in SE Iowa. >> >> >> >> We are docked at the Naval Air Station Marina in Jacksonville, FL where Ann >> has been undergoing tests at Mayo Clinic. As I look out into the mooring >> area I can see the distinctive lines of a C&C 35 MK I. A few docks is a >> Landfall 38. It is amazing how many C&C's we see as we travel up and down >> the ICW each year. They are still the best looking boats on the water ! >> >> >> >> Cheers from Queen Ann's Revenge, >> >> >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:32 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi John, >> >> >> >> Another interesting mid Cuthbertson and Cassian design, before the creation >> of C&C Yachts. Big George tells me that Psyche II, designed for Bob Grant, a >> future Commodore of RCYC, was essentially a sister to Ivanhoe II which >> proceeded Psyche by a couple of years. Ivanhoe II was design number 64-4 for >> Comm. Ray Engholm, also of RCYC. She was built in aluminium at Engholm's >> aluminium fabrication company Macotta. In actual fact Erich Bruckmann >> installed the interior in Ivanhoe after he left Metro Marine and had gone >> into the kitchen installation business. It was probability the building the >> interior on Ivanhoe which kept him in the boat business. The building of the >> interior at the same time as the hull led to all sorts of problems with the >> aluminium welds in the hull, but that's another story! Psyche was design >> number 66-4, and followed the Redwing 30, Inferno II, and Red Jacket, and >> immediately preceded the Redline 41 and the Whitby 45. Therefore, unlike >> Ivanhoe, Psyche was designe d with a separate keel and rudder. She was also built in aluminium by Enholm's company Macotta, but I'm not sure who installed the interior. Possibly Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts. Ivanhoe, which had a full keel and attached rudder was also later modified to the separate keel and rudder configuration. Neither boat was specifically successful on the race course, since the Ivanhoe hull lines preceded Red Jacket, and Engholm himself was a tad more conservative then Perry Connolly in the type of boat he wanted. The Ivanhoe/Psyche "sisters" were part of the transition in yacht design taking place in the 1960s. It's great to see Psyche still looking so good. A remarkable boat. >> >> >> >> Bob Grant would be part of a number of Canada's Cup syndicates, and later >> owned a C&C 48, one of George's last designs at C&C, before he handed design >> responsibilities over to Rob Ball. Bob Grant also bought an Aurora 40, I >> believe, Mark Elis' first design after parting company from C&C Custom Sales. >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, J Roger <johnbobro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> The 1968 43' Aluminum PSYCHE II: >> >> >> >> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/43-aluminum-c-and-c-custom-sloop-1968-42-000-florida-132804.html >> >> >> >> Would be grand to learn more about the history, building techniques and >> sailing characteristics. >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> >> >> J >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> The first six were built by Kurt Beister, on the East Frisian Islands in >> northern Germany. Most likely designed by Henry Gruber, but modified for >> North American requirements by Cuthbertson and Cassian with the addition of >> a CCA type yawl rig and the modification of the ballast casting to add more >> lead. CN35 Hull #1, Ca Va, was owned by Ian Morch, who would go on to found >> Belleville Marine and become the first President of C&C Yachts. Ian just >> passed away about two weeks ago. Hull #6, Carousel. the first to be built by >> Cliff Richardson in Ontario, but finished by Dick Kneulman at Ontario >> Yachts, was owned by Perry Connolly, who, of course would soon commission >> Cuthbertson and Cassian to design a 40 footer named Red Jacket. Amazing to >> see hull #10 available. A truly historic vessel. >> >> >> >> Rob Mazza >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> And I thought some of us had "old" boats. Take a peek at this: >> >> <http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1962/C%26C-Canadian-Northern-Hull-%2310-2743930/Mobile/AL/United-States#.VE7zJhZNfh8> >> >> Note the "Star" on the bow cove stripe. >> >> Dennis C. >> >> Touche' 35-1 #83 >> >> Mandeville, LA >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/fc36930e/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:33:29 -0400 > From: Steve Thomas <sthom...@sympatico.ca> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 > Message-ID: <blu437-smtp532dc74be491eb05131cfbbf...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Most of the plumbing antifreeze that is sold around here is mainly denatured > alcohol, and alcohol can be hard on the rubber parts in your water pump. If > you can find plumbing antifreeze based on propylene glycol it should be ok. > If you can't find it, then regular engine antifreeze is designed to be rubber > compatable, and I would at least get some in as far as the water pump, > environment or not. > For now I am using the last of my low tox propylene glycol based engine > antifreeze. It is no longer for sale around here, so when that is gone I will > just use regular engine antifreeze. > > Steve Thomas > C&C27 MKIII > Port Stanley, ON > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bernard Toews via CnC-List > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 2:51 PM > Subject: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 > > > > > I own a 1979 34 C&C which has an Atomic 4 engine. > > I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to > do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the > engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the > intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the > water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should > have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and > then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I > live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, > I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely > silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. > > Also, I would like to know what other owners of C&C's with Atomic 4 engines > do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they > disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat > other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the C&C Owners's Manual. Do most > owners "fog" the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they > use SAE HD 30 engine oil. > > Any advice would be very helpful. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/5ed57d30/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 19:35:39 +0000 (UTC) > From: Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> > To: Bernard Toews <bernieto...@gmail.com>, "CNC boat owners, > cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 > Message-ID: > <350617203.339027.1414870539865.javamail.zim...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Bernard, > Your antifreeze should be fine if your engine has the typical heat exchanger > . With the heat exchanger, raw water is drawn from a thuhull and a strainer > and the raw water pump circulates that water through a heat exhanger, is > injected into the mixing elbow of the exhaust hose where it mixes and goes > into a lift mufler where it quiets and cools the exhaust gasses. Back to the > heat exchanger: a separate pump pushes a 50:50 mix of tap water and glycol > through the engine walls and through the thermostat and through the heat > exchanger. The thermostat throttles the antifreeze water and not the raw > water. If your engine is missing the heat exchanger, you have a raw water > cooled engine, which means you do have to warm it up before inducing the > antifreeze protection. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 2:51:16 PM > Subject: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 > > > > > > I own a 1979 34 C&C which has an Atomic 4 engine. > > I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to > do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the > engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the > intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the > water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should > have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and > then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I > live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, > I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely > silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. > > Also, I would like to know what other owners of C&C's with Atomic 4 engines > do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they > disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat > other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the C&C Owners's Manual. Do most > owners "fog" the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they > use SAE HD 30 engine oil. > > Any advice would be very helpful. > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/130d0116/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:46:06 -0700 > From: jimmy kelly <jamesdenniske...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List atomic 4 fogging engine > Message-ID: > <CAHhrF7VZf4QOp=MvSe5tDneR=TfYWFj-U-F=4ecaw44bagm...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > marvel magic mystery oil will coat all internals plus keep cylinders from > sticking...also coat exhaust interally...is old old product but still used > by big rig drivers to add to diesel fuel to help with lubrication...many a4 > owners have found quiets engine down substantially....have used on a4s for > years &in diesel car engines with good success > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/ca635511/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 15:49:36 -0400 > From: Danny Haughey <djhaug...@juno.com> > To: cscheaf...@comcast.net, cnc-list@cnc-list.com, > bernieto...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 > Message-ID: <o5ees9dqrhg3o7sgut2s0gkw.1414871376...@email.android.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Only thing I can add is that I would never run tap water through an engine. > ?I try to always use distilled water antifreeze mix. > > > From my Android phone > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: 11/01/2014 3:35 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Bernard Toews <bernieto...@gmail.com>,"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 > > Bernard, > Your antifreeze should be fine if your engine has the typical heat > exchanger.? With the heat exchanger, raw water is drawn from a thuhull and a > strainer and the raw water pump circulates that water through a heat > exhanger, is injected into the mixing elbow of the exhaust hose where it > mixes and goes into a lift mufler where it quiets and cools the exhaust > gasses.? Back to the heat exchanger:? a separate pump pushes a 50:50 mix of > tap water and glycol through the engine walls and through the thermostat and > through the heat exchanger.? The thermostat throttles the antifreeze water > and not the raw water.? If your engine is missing the heat exchanger, you > have a raw water cooled engine, which means you do have to warm it up before > inducing the antifreeze protection. > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 2:51:16 PM > Subject: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 > > > > I own a 1979 34 C&C which has an Atomic 4 engine. > > I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone to > do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the > engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze.? I did this by loosening the > intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of the > water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I should > have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would open and > then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the engine. Since I > live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to -40 degress Celsius, > I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic manual is completely > silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. > > ?Also, I would like to know what other owners of C&C's with Atomic 4 engines > do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if they > disconnect them etc.? Also, what else should be done to winterize my boat > other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the C&C Owners's Manual. Do most > owners "fog" the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, do they > use SAE HD 30 engine oil. > > Any advice would be very helpful. > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/cc5640ed/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 12:53:12 -0700 > From: jimmy kelly <jamesdenniske...@gmail.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List atomic 4 fogging engine > Message-ID: > <cahhrf7xlpf3-zj8_nv+6fzytvxjvdfwmboqjnkdh6zkzfr5...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > atomic 4 engine fogging ..........should have mentioned run engine til > warm then add mmm oil to engine cylinders > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 12:46 PM, jimmy kelly <jamesdenniske...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> marvel magic mystery oil will coat all internals plus keep cylinders from >> sticking...also coat exhaust interally...is old old product but still used >> by big rig drivers to add to diesel fuel to help with lubrication...many a4 >> owners have found quiets engine down substantially....have used on a4s for >> years &in diesel car engines with good success >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/a8e834aa/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 17:03:59 -0300 > From: Ken Heaton <kenhea...@gmail.com> > To: Dave Moore <drolfmo...@yahoo.com>, cnc-list > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? > Message-ID: > <CAAbfP6TWB_yz3JYYtNG+hT0LmX4wPzDJRnZ4cTp1NTZLN=a...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > We've occasionally seen 13 + knots on the GPS surfing down waves on a broad > reach on a nice sunny, breezy day. Not so breezy that we had a reef in... > > C&C 37XL Salazar > > Ken H. > > On 1 November 2014 16:20, Dave Moore via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > >> Any 37R, Plus or XL skippers like to comment on the willingness of their >> boats to surf waves? >> Thank you >> Dave >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/1a710b81/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:21:16 -0500 > From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 > Message-ID: > <ca+zacrdrg8iyueugt663vdozk1eeserqx26lscs+ps3nstb...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > +1 to Jake and Burt's comments. Some possible improvements are as > follows. > > Roll the engine by hand while the plugs are removed...instead of pumping it > with the starter. Hitting the starter can/will blow the fogging oil out. > You just want to distribute the oil around the cylinders. > > Disconnect and plug both the air inlet and exhaust outlet. Even though I > fogged mine last year I still got stuck rings in two of the 3 cylinders. > My machine shop guy is confident that by keeping the boat in the water the > boat's motion caused the loop seal in water muffler to push/pull air in > and out of the engine. The changes in outdoor temperature, heating and > cooling the engine, cause condensation on the inside cylinders despite the > fogging oil. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > On Nov 1, 2014 3:11 PM, "Burt Stratton via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > >> I have an Atomic 4. Love it, by the way. >> >> >> >> Yes, run motor until up to normal operating temp before introducing >> anti-freeze. Otherwise you are just winterizing the manifold, silencer, >> pump and riser. >> >> I fog with a spray can of engine fog and then take out each spark plug and >> spray the fogging oil into the top of the cylinder through the spark plug >> hole. I then crank the engine briefly and re-install the plugs. >> >> I change the oil while it is still warm >> >> I make sure the batteries are fully charged and full of acid, disconnect >> them and leave them in the boat. Charged batteries don't mind the cold at >> all. >> >> I also change my fuel filters while I'm in there but that is just me. I >> like to set up for turn-key starting in the spring. >> >> This all assumes you run with treated gas >> >> >> >> Burt >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of >> *Bernard >> Toews via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 2:51 PM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Subject:* Stus-List Winterizing my 1979 C&C 34 >> >> >> >> >> >> I own a 1979 34 C&C which has an Atomic 4 engine. >> >> I decided to winterize my boat myself this year rather than hire someone >> to do it. I tried to follow the instructions in the manual for draining the >> engine and putting in plumber's anti freeze. I did this by loosening the >> intake water hose and running the motor until the anti-freeze ran out of >> the water exhaust. However, from what I read on the Net, it seems that I >> should have run the engine until it was warm so that the thermostat would >> open and then the antifreeze would have been circulated throughout the >> engine. Since I live in a harsh climate where the temperature can get to >> -40 degress Celsius, I am concerned about my engine freezing. The Atomic >> manual is completely silent about running the engine until the T-stat opens. >> >> Also, I would like to know what other owners of C&C's with Atomic 4 >> engines do when they winterize in terms of taking out the batteries or if >> they disconnect them etc. Also, what else should be done to winterize my >> boat other than following the Atomic 4 manual and the C&C Owners's Manual. >> Do most owners "fog" the engine by pouring oil into the carburetor. If so, >> do they use SAE HD 30 engine oil. >> >> Any advice would be very helpful. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/dad705bc/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 15:31:09 -0500 > From: Josh Muckley <muckl...@gmail.com> > To: Dave Moore <drolfmo...@yahoo.com>, "C&C List" > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Surfing C&C hulls 37R, plus or XL? > Message-ID: > <CA+zaCRBQJLOBqfzeU5jAVJ4oL9pBYGuonpwy9JuC55fz81=v...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I've had mine surging 1-2kts as big rollers came up under the transom but I > don't know if I would define it as surfing. I don't have enough > expierience with other boats to know if that's especially good. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > On Nov 1, 2014 3:21 PM, "Dave Moore via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > >> Any 37R, Plus or XL skippers like to comment on the willingness of their >> boats to surf waves? >> Thank you >> Dave >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Oct 31, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> As long as we are comparing "war stories", despite previously maligning >> IOR hulls, the fastest I've gone in a keel boat was on *Marauder* in the >> long distance race of the 1975 Canada's Cup on Lake St. Clair, when it was >> blowing the shingles off the roof, and we had a #2 on the spinnaker pole. >> The bow wave was breaking at the chain plates, and the speedo was pegged at >> it's max reading of 12 Kts for a long time. That was before GPS, so we >> really had no idea how fast we were going. And that was with a tiller >> steered boat. *Maraude*r could out reach *Golden Dazy *easily, but >> couldn't touch her upwind. *Dazy* took the series,3-2, winning all the >> "inshore" races. >> >> Rob Mazza >> >> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> The 35 MK I does not come close to planning like a modern sport boat. >>> >>> The best I have done in flat water is 11 knots boatspeed with 50-60 knots >>> on the stern and the working job up. At that speed the stern is sunk nearly >>> to water level. In any kind of the waves the boat will surf/plane DOWN the >>> waves, but you drop speed on the upside. Max speed I think I have ever seen >>> is 15-16 knots surfing down 20 footers . The only C&C I have ever seen >>> plane like a Laser would be the SR-21. I think the only true "planing" C&C >>> s would be the SR series and maybe the newest 30 foot model. >>> >>> >>> >>> *Joe Della Barba* >>> >>> Coquina C&C 35 MK I >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of >>> *Robert >>> Mazza via CnC-List >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 31, 2014 12:08 PM >>> *To:* Dave Moore >>> *Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Planing/Surfing C&C hulls? >>> >>> >>> >>> Not a definitive analysis, but my recollection is that the older CCA type >>> hulls, C&C 35s, 43s, and certainly the 61s were better off the wind than >>> the later IOR influenced hulls, which were better upwind than the older >>> boats. However, it would be interesting to hear from owners on that >>> subject. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Dave Moore <drolfmo...@yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob and Hank, >>> >>> Did any of the C&C models have a particular strength in surfing (or >>> planing) down wind in 15 to 20 knots true wind speed? Years ago I recall >>> talking to Rob Ball about the importance of prismatic coefficient in >>> surfing performance but I was remiss in not asking what C&C models have the >>> strongest surfing potential. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 3:14 PM, henry evans via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rob, >>> >>> >>> >>> Your knowledge of the history of C&C designs is truly amazing. I enjoyed >>> reading your tutorial. >>> >>> >>> >>> I never knew Eric was in the kitchen business. After I and a bunch of >>> others left the faltering C&C, I spent 10 years in brick manufacturing >>> which landed me in Des Moines, Iowa. Exiting that business, I bought an >>> Architectural Millwork company and two years later a kitchen cabinet >>> manufacturing and remodeling company. We ran those two for 20 years, >>> quadrupled their size and sold them to retire on our trawler. And we did a >>> few boat interior remodels as well, both power and sail. Our C&C 29 >>> "Illusion" is still winning races on Lake Rathbun, in SE Iowa. >>> >>> >>> >>> We are docked at the Naval Air Station Marina in Jacksonville, FL where >>> Ann has been undergoing tests at Mayo Clinic. As I look out into the >>> mooring area I can see the distinctive lines of a C&C 35 MK I. A few docks >>> is a Landfall 38. It is amazing how many C&C's we see as we travel up and >>> down the ICW each year. They are still the best looking boats on the water >>> ! >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers from Queen Ann's Revenge, >>> >>> >>> >>> Hank >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:32 PM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> >>> >>> Another interesting mid Cuthbertson and Cassian design, before the >>> creation of C&C Yachts. Big George tells me that *Psyche II*, designed >>> for Bob Grant, a future Commodore of RCYC, was essentially a sister to >>> *Ivanhoe >>> II* which proceeded *Psyche *by a couple of years. *Ivanhoe II *was >>> design number 64-4 for Comm. Ray Engholm, also of RCYC. She was built in >>> aluminium at Engholm's aluminium fabrication company Macotta. In actual >>> fact Erich Bruckmann installed the interior in *Ivanhoe* after he left >>> Metro Marine and had gone into the kitchen installation business. It was >>> probability the building the interior on* Ivanhoe* which kept him in the >>> boat business. The building of the interior at the same time as the hull >>> led to all sorts of problems with the aluminium welds in the hull, but >>> that's another story! *Psyche *was design number 66-4, and followed the >>> Redwing 30, *Inferno II*, and * Red Jacket*, and immediately preceded >>> the Redline 41 and the Whitby 45. Therefore, unlike Ivanhoe, *Psyche* >>> was designed with a separate keel and rudder. She was also built in >>> aluminium by Enholm's company Macotta, but I'm not sure who installed the >>> interior. Possibly Dick Kneulman at Ontario Yachts. *Ivanhoe,* which >>> had a full keel and attached rudder was also later modified to the separate >>> keel and rudder configuration. Neither boat was specifically successful on >>> the race course, since the *Ivanhoe* hull lines preceded *Red Jacket,* >>> and Engholm himself was a tad more conservative then Perry Connolly in the >>> type of boat he wanted. The *Ivanhoe/Psyche* "sisters" were part of the >>> transition in yacht design taking place in the 1960s. It's great to see >>> *Psyche* still looking so good. A remarkable boat. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bob Grant would be part of a number of Canada's Cup syndicates, and later >>> owned a C&C 48, one of George's last designs at C&C, before he handed >>> design responsibilities over to Rob Ball. Bob Grant also bought an Aurora >>> 40, I believe, Mark Elis' first design after parting company from C&C >>> Custom Sales. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:20 PM, J Roger <johnbobro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> The 1968 43' Aluminum PSYCHE II: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f152/43-aluminum-c-and-c-custom-sloop-1968-42-000-florida-132804.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Would be grand to learn more about the history, building techniques and >>> sailing characteristics. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Robert Mazza via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> The first six were built by Kurt Beister, on the East Frisian Islands >>> in northern Germany. Most likely designed by Henry Gruber, but modified for >>> North American requirements by Cuthbertson and Cassian with the addition of >>> a CCA type yawl rig and the modification of the ballast casting to add more >>> lead. CN35 Hull #1, *Ca Va*, was owned by Ian Morch, who would go on to >>> found Belleville Marine and become the first President of C&C Yachts. Ian >>> just passed away about two weeks ago. Hull #6, *Carousel*. the first to >>> be built by Cliff Richardson in Ontario, but finished by Dick Kneulman at >>> Ontario Yachts, was owned by Perry Connolly, who, of course would soon >>> commission Cuthbertson and Cassian to design a 40 footer named *Red >>> Jacket*. Amazing to see hull #10 available. A truly historic vessel. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rob Mazza >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> And I thought some of us had "old" boats. Take a peek at this: >>> >>> < >>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1962/C%26C-Canadian-Northern-Hull-%2310-2743930/Mobile/AL/United-States#.VE7zJhZNfh8 >>>> >>> >>> Note the "Star" on the bow cove stripe. >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> >>> Touche' 35-1 #83 >>> >>> Mandeville, LA >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >>> >>> Email address: >>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >>> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >>> page at: >>> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of >> page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20141101/51d8f649/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 106, Issue 3 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
