I don't know how the Mk II compares with the Mk III, but when I raced with
a #3 (105%) genoa, I pointed five degrees higher than most boats in our
PHRF fleet. Any small loss in speed was more than made up for by the better
pointing angle. I was frequently first to the weather mark.
Alan Bergen
35
Now check the predicted motion comfort factors for these boats. If you do
any cruising along the coast of NS the 35 MKII is very slippery and very
pleasant to be driving and nice accommodations too.
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 4:39 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> On a
I have a heck of a time upwind with my 38-2 beating those 33’s. Quick
upwind and point higher. Downwind we can make some ground up but often
not enough to win
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 3:39 PM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> On a rea h a longer waterline boat usually
On a rea h a longer waterline boat usually has faster hull speed so would pass.
If all boats were same design they would have same hull speed and woukd not
pass on a long reach. On short courses with short legs even wl length makes
little difference.
I know the races rob talks about . They
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Cc: Bill Coleman
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design
I agree, and I feel your pain.
A 5 leg triangle/W/L does level the playing field somewhat between a mix of
older and newer boats.
Altho, in fairness to our race committee, sometimes when the wind it too
.
Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie, PA
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Subject: Stus-List Re: C 33-II vs 35-II now race course design
Ron:
With all due respect, my boat’s PHRF
could keep our boats and have some fun
racing. W/L courses undermine this concept.
Matt
C 42 Custom
From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2021 12:55 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker
Subject: Stus-List Re: C 33-II vs 35-II
Honestly the only course I want to see for big boats goes someplace. Long ago I
decided that if it was all going to be dinghy racing on short W/Ls, then race a
dinghy and save tens of thousands of dollars. Think about the cost of ONE sail
replacement on a big boat vs. an entire used dinghy.
On
At one time we use to set the triangle and run the boats around the
triangle, then windward leeward (beat, reach, reach, beat, downwind).
That course always seemed better for different generation boats since it
involved all points of sail.
Now if the organizer sets a W/L course the lightweight
W/L racing is also ‘encouraged’ by some PROs when their mark boats are limited
to only 1. Much easier to adjust the course if you only need to either adjust
the line or move only 1 or at most 2 marks (W and L).
Moving a jibe mark efficiently to provide a ‘more perfect’ triangle usually
requires
The problem is with the handicap numbers. A triangle course has only 33%
beat, if equilateral. The more you spread out the offset mark, the less
percentage the beat; the more you pull it in, the higher percentage beat.For
PHRF to work, I believe they recommend at least a 40% beat.
This is an ongoing issue with racing, everything is W/L dinghy racing no matter
if your boat is 10 feet long or 110 feet long. Back in the day when men were
men and sheep were scared we used government marks and you got what you got,
reaches, beats, runs, whatever.
When I used to RC C races I
That’s interesting. I keep having issues with my local RC because they set
only windward/leeward courses, no triangles and no reaches. The reported
rationale is that “no one ever passes anybody on a reach.” What you’re saying
is impossible.
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