Re: Cocoa and the need for a dynamic language

2009-01-19 Thread Robert Claeson
On 19 Jan 2009, at 15:41, Sean McBride wrote: On 1/17/09 9:51 PM, Erik Buck said: As far as I know, there is still no compiler in the world that completely implements the ANSI/ISO C++ standard which was ratified in 1998. If the standard hasn't been implemented in a decade, something is amiss

Re: Cocoa and the need for a dynamic language

2009-01-19 Thread Sean McBride
On 1/17/09 9:51 PM, Erik Buck said: >As far as I know, there is still no compiler in >the world that completely implements the ANSI/ISO C++ standard which >was ratified in 1998. If the standard hasn't been implemented in a >decade, something is amiss. I agree C++ is an overly complex beast... bu

Re: Cocoa and the need for a dynamic language

2009-01-18 Thread Scott Ribe
> Therefore, I take issue with Scott Ribe because I don't think Cocoa > can be implemented as we know it in C++. Eh? That was my point: ...just as you can't "rewrite Cocoa in C++"... -- Scott Ribe scott_r...@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice ___

Re: Cocoa and the need for a dynamic language

2009-01-18 Thread Ian Joyner
On 18/01/2009, at 1:51 PM, Erik Buck wrote: Both Objective-C message sending and C++ virtual function calls commonly prevent in-lining because the _compiler_ can not determine which code will actually be called. If you use Objective-C message sending or C++ virtual member functions, you f

Cocoa and the need for a dynamic language

2009-01-17 Thread Erik Buck
In this forum, Scott Ribe recently wrote "...but just as you can't "rewrite Cocoa in C++" as we've seen demanded by people who don't really understand Objective-C..." I claim that a relatively dynamic language is necessary to effectively use Cocoa. I also claim to have very deep and thorou