Re: Thoughts on autolayout

I’ve never had to do anything like step 4. I’ve certainly added or changed constraints and fetched up a load of red boxes but never does it take more than a little bit of consideration to work out which constraints to remove or change. Basically - it just isn’t that hard. > On 22 Apr 2016,

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

I tend to believe that it's because of step 4 that some developers (#include me) still do not like auto layout. Because even with a very simple view, you can waste a lot of time with this step. On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Bill Cheeseman wrote: > >> On Apr 21, 2016, at

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

> On 22 Apr 2016, at 03:34, Hunter Hillegas wrote: > > Nope, I’m a huge fan, especially with newer tools like UIStackView and the > layout guide stuff. > >> On Apr 21, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Charles Srstka >> wrote: >> >> Am I the only one who

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

I agree wholeheartedly. My process is very similar. It’s taken a bit of doing to get comfortable/efficient with autolayout, but I would *never* go back. I also try very hard to do all my layouts entirely in IB so I have a single place to look for maintenance/enhancements. In addition to what

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

> On Apr 21, 2016, at 2:49 PM, Bill Cheeseman wrote: > >> On Apr 21, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Charles Srstka > > wrote: >> >> Am I the only one who likes autolayout? > > > No, I like it, too. I developed an approach

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

I’ve come to really like autolayout. I follow a similar set of steps that you do, but I’ve begun to use the Preview assistant to help me get my constraints right. It lets me test them in every language including the pseudo double length. Its fantastic. > On Apr 21, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Bill

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

> On Apr 21, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Charles Srstka wrote: > > Am I the only one who likes autolayout? No, I like it, too. I developed an approach that I'm comfortable with, and if I stick to it I can get the job done quickly. Of course, trying to accomplish something I

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

Nope, I’m a huge fan, especially with newer tools like UIStackView and the layout guide stuff. > On Apr 21, 2016, at 12:19 PM, Charles Srstka wrote: > > Am I the only one who likes autolayout? ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

> On Apr 21, 2016, at 10:41 AM, Alex Zavatone wrote: > > > On Apr 21, 2016, at 4:50 AM, Jonathan Mitchell wrote: > >> The biggest single issue I have with AL is that it is a development time >> hog. > > A massive time hog. Am I the only one who likes autolayout? Sure, it’s

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

> On 21 Apr 2016, at 10:47 am, Ben Kennedy wrote: > > One is then left to hunt around in the damn list on the right in order to > find it and then delete it *again* from there in order to actually eviscerate > it. Oops; I meant the list on the left (the hierarchal inspector

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

> On 21 Apr 2016, at 12:12 am, Quincey Morris > wrote: > 1. Part of the problem is branding. “Autolayout” actually refers to the > runtime layout engine, and what happens automatically is the runtime > relocation of UI elements according to constraints.

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

On Apr 21, 2016, at 4:50 AM, Jonathan Mitchell wrote: > The biggest single issue I have with AL is that it is a development time hog. A massive time hog. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

Thanks for the reference. Unfortunately, according to the documentation, it's only available on OS X 10.11 or later. On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Jonathan Mitchell wrote: > >> On 21 Apr 2016, at 11:48, Stephane Sudre wrote: >> >> >> - you still

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

Jonathan, Can you use NSLayoutGuide in IB? Does using it preclude one's app from deploying on anything but 10.11 or later? Sandor > On Apr 21, 2016, at 06:55, Jonathan Mitchell wrote: > > >> On 21 Apr 2016, at 11:48, Stephane Sudre wrote: >> >>

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

> On 21 Apr 2016, at 11:48, Stephane Sudre wrote: > > > - you still have to use intermediary subviews to deal with complex cases. NSLayoutGuide can help out here

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Kristof Van Landschoot wrote: > All of these points sound more like "Thoughts on Interface Builder to me". > Using autolayout without Interface Builder is a better experience (although > not perfect, surely). Not using autolayout is an even

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

> On 21 Apr 2016, at 08:12, Quincey Morris > wrote: > > I think I’d much rather have a scheme where you can’t drag or resize UI > elements at all, but you would essentially drag on the constraints (or on > attributes that uniquely represent constraints

Re: Thoughts on autolayout

All of these points sound more like "Thoughts on Interface Builder to me". Using autolayout without Interface Builder is a better experience (although not perfect, surely). On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Quincey Morris < quinceymor...@rivergatesoftware.com> wrote: > After spending all of the

Thoughts on autolayout

After spending all of the last 3 days on designing autolayout-based layouts in IB, I’m going to submit some bug reports. First, I want to try to clarify my thoughts about “what’s wrong with autolayout”, and see if I need to revise my thinking: 1. Part of the problem is branding. “Autolayout”