Re: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment

2001-12-01 Thread Berin Loritsch
Gerhard Froehlich wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:50 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment >> >> >>Gerhard Froehlich wrote: >> >> -Original Message- >>

RE: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment

2001-12-01 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
>-Original Message- >From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:50 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment > > >Gerhard Froehlich wrote: > >>>-Original Message- >>>From: Chris Finn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: data goes in, data goes out

2001-12-01 Thread Berin Loritsch
giacomo wrote: > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > >>giacomo wrote: >> >> In software terminology, an accumulator is normally called a "store", "archive", "cabinet", "safe" and so on with terms that give you an idea of "something" that allows you to place information

Re: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment

2001-12-01 Thread Berin Loritsch
Gerhard Froehlich wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: Chris Finn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> > As I did load tests with the RC1 I made the same experience. > With the help of OptimizeIt (http://www.vmgear.com/) I discovered > that most resource is burning the ClassLoader and stuff. > Se

Re: Personal comments on XUpdate

2001-12-01 Thread Michael Hartle
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >Michael Hartle wrote: > >>I guess XUpdate is depending on input as almost every other process of >>standardization; what about actively participating on the evolution of >>XUpdate instead of distant, probably unheard evaluation ? I think that >>Stefanos view should be po

Re: Date-specific resources

2001-12-01 Thread Michael Hartle
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >Back to the Cocoon URI-space problem. The URI > > http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/installing > >"identifies" information about "installing Apache Cocoon" and "locates" >the latest version of this document. > >If we found valuable (but I do not, having CVS) to create contrac

Re: Date-specific resources

2001-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
John Morrison wrote: > > So we should have... > > http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/1/ > http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/2/ > > and > > http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/ -> http://xml.apache.cocoon/2/ > > Yes? No. Cocoon URIs must be version agnostic, they must convey only semantic meaning. -- Stefano

Re: Personal comments on XUpdate

2001-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Michael Hartle wrote: > > Jeremy Quinn wrote: > > >The XUpdate language (however flawed) looks to me designed primarily for > >inserting stuff into existing fragments, it is not expressive in terms of > >adding new documents to collections, or files to filesystems. > > > >We need to be able to d

Re: Personal comments on XUpdate

2001-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jeremy Quinn wrote: > >I'll try to come up with something because, as it stands, I would be > >very -1 in basing Cocoon XML persistant capabilities on such a spec. > > fair enough . (and I am NOT arguing FOR XUpdate here .) > > However, what you have subsequently written (your "[RT] Dre

Re: Flowmaps: the wrong approach (was Re: [RT] (long) Rethinking Finite State Machine Approach to Flow Management)

2001-12-01 Thread Ovidiu Predescu
On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 14:54:51 +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What I was looking at were continuations in functional languages like > > Scheme. > > Uh, gosh, I find myself with no info on this... how is that possible? :) You ought to fill in the hole fairly quick ;-) It'

Re: Personal comments on XUpdate

2001-12-01 Thread Jeremy Quinn
At 1:09 pm +0100 1/12/01, Michael Hartle wrote: >Jeremy Quinn wrote: > >>The XUpdate language (however flawed) looks to me designed primarily for >>inserting stuff into existing fragments, it is not expressive in terms of >>adding new documents to collections, or files to filesystems. >> >>We need

RE: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment

2001-12-01 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
>-Original Message- >From: Chris Finn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >--- Gerhard Froehlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 6) Look at the store parameters >> (store,store-janitor,...) in the >> cocoon.xconf file and customize them -as recommended >> in the comments- for >> your testing mach

Re: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment

2001-12-01 Thread giacomo
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Gianugo Rabellino wrote: > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > > 3) they don't use a transparent proxy on top so the Cocoon cache is > > continously stressed. > > > If they are using XSP (or anyway are dynamically generating data) a > transparent proxy won't help a lot: it will help

Re: data goes in, data goes out

2001-12-01 Thread giacomo
On Fri, 30 Nov 2001, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > giacomo wrote: > > > > In software terminology, an accumulator is normally called a "store", > > > "archive", "cabinet", "safe" and so on with terms that give you an idea > > > of "something" that allows you to place information that will > > > pers

RE: Date-specific resources

2001-12-01 Thread John Morrison
So we should have... http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/1/ http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/2/ and http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/ -> http://xml.apache.cocoon/2/ Yes? > -Original Message- > From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, 01 December 2001 2:34 pm > To: [EMAIL

AW: [Fwd: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment]

2001-12-01 Thread Jorn Heid
If incremental processing is disabled (the default) Xalan fires the SAX events after all transformations have been done. Under heavy load this can cause great memory usage I guess. I'm not sure about that. Just a hint. JOERN -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Date-specific resources

2001-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Jeff Turner wrote: > Say I write a HTML page, "How to install Cocoon 2 with FooBar > extensions". I want to reference the content currently at: > > http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/installing/ > > But I can't, because when Cocoon 2.x or 3 comes out, it won't be the > same content I intended to refe

Re: Flowmaps: the wrong approach (was Re: [RT] (long) Rethinking Finite State Machine Approach to Flow Management)

2001-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Ovidiu Predescu wrote: > > This is very interesting, in the past few weeks I was investigating > alternative approaches to FSM too! This is getting interesting. Talking about distributed IQ :) > What I was looking at were continuations in functional languages like > Scheme. Uh, gosh, I find m

Re: [RT] Dreams for a useful database

2001-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sam Ruby wrote: > > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > > > 1) it should be possible to see it as a single persistent tree of DOM > nodes. > > > > 2) it should contain node-level version information and should provide > > a tagging concept (here, think as a parallel between CVS files and these > > DOM n

[Fwd: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment]

2001-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Paul Brown wrote: > > Stefano -- > > Are you using Xalan J2.2.Dx within Cocoon? If so, that may account for it. > Depending on the application, we've observed SIGNIFICANT performance > problems with Xalan J2.2.Dx, especially where a transition DOM<->DTM occurs. I'm not the one who made the tes

Re: [RT] Negative Matching Constructs && Mime Type Matching

2001-12-01 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Berin Loritsch wrote: > > Sounds great to me. Are you volunteering? ;-) > > The time, the time! :) > Seriously, I can do it as it is a fairly trivial component. Question, do you > want a run-time system to be able to dynamically add mime-types to the system? hmmm, don't know, but I would aut

RE: strange problem with HEAD

2001-12-01 Thread Torsten Curdt
I now made a clean rebuild of the cocoon.war and tried on a different machine with a different servlet engine (resin). Different exception but still cocoon does not come up. (looks always like something goes wrong inside the Avalon Framework DefaultConfigurationBuilder) Can anyone confirm this pr

RE: Cocoon 2.0 Scalability Disappointment

2001-12-01 Thread Gerhard Froehlich
>-Original Message- >From: Chris Finn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >--- Gerhard Froehlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 6) Look at the store parameters >> (store,store-janitor,...) in the >> cocoon.xconf file and customize them -as recommended >> in the comments- for >> your testing mach

Re: Personal comments on XUpdate

2001-12-01 Thread Michael Hartle
Jeremy Quinn wrote: >The XUpdate language (however flawed) looks to me designed primarily for >inserting stuff into existing fragments, it is not expressive in terms of >adding new documents to collections, or files to filesystems. > >We need to be able to do both!!! > >That said, yes I am very i

Re: Personal comments on XUpdate

2001-12-01 Thread Jeremy Quinn
At 7:38 pm +0100 30/11/01, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: >I've just reread the XUpdate spec. Here are my quick comments: > >1) no namespace support. I mean, there is no namespace concept taken >into consideration in the spec. > >This would, *alone*, make it virtually useless for any serious XML >storag