Re: [woody] binding the forms to data

2003-07-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 1 juil 2003, à 07:36 Europe/Zurich, Marc Portier a écrit : what do people think? I'm a bit short on time to study your proposed syntax, but I like the idea of defining JXPath-like mappings (or bindings) between data and forms. Also, being able to use either java classes or XML document

Re: Introduction Reinhard Pötz

2003-06-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Welcome, Reinhard! It's good to hear that you have energy and time to invest in the forms/flow department, having good examples and docs will be a major step forward IMHO. ...Apart from Cocoon I'm on the way to become a Certified Transactional Analyst. (this has nothing to do with IT as many p

Re: src/targets xml fragments

2003-06-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 27 juin 2003, à 15:52 Europe/Zurich, Geoff Howard a écrit : Joerg, David and I are discussing alternatives to the current build file entities for the sub-targets. One that's on the table now is to use ANTModule from http://www.ct42.de/en/ch02.html. See below for the discussion that's

Re: Moving Mailing-Lists (Wiki page for info about the move)

2003-06-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 24 juin 2003, à 09:47 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : ...Great, but is that just because MARC is such an excellent provider. I wonder about the other mail archiving hosts Which means we must provide some info about the consequences of the move. I have added a section on ht

Re: Moving Mailing-Lists

2003-06-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 24 juin 2003, à 09:27 Europe/Zurich, Gianugo Rabellino a écrit : ...AFAIK you have to ask MARC to "subscribe" to the new lists: by sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject "Add a list to MARC" But won't this create two archives for each list, one with the old and one with

Re: Moving Mailing-Lists

2003-06-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 24 juin 2003, à 08:31 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : If noone is against it, I will request for moving the mailing-lists tomorrow (before the beta release). Do you plan a document explaining the move and how to find the old and new archives? I assume there are going to be t

Re: Welcome the new ASF members

2003-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 20 juin 2003, à 23:25 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ... Vadim, Sylvain and Carsten (in alphabetical order by their last names)... Congratulations! This is well deserved, thanks to all three for your involvment here! -Bertrand

Re: [vote] Reinhard Potz as a Cocoon committer

2003-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I propose Reinhard Pötz to be a Cocoon committer. +1, welcome! -Bertrand

Re: A proposal for a best practice project

2003-06-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 16 juin 2003, à 08:56 Europe/Zurich, Ross Gardler a écrit : .. The purpose of this mail is twofold: 1) notify the community of this project.. Thanks, your project sounds interesting to me. I think it would be good to include such best practices app as blocks in Cocoon, so that people

Re: [RFI] Garbage

2003-06-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 18 juin 2003, à 02:07 Europe/Zurich, Pier Fumagalli a écrit : ...It might not go anywhere, it might go somewhere, but if there's interest in this community to host my "Garbage" template engine, all I ask is to have a CVS repo and the opportunity to show you my little pet, and maybe

Linotype editing: browser requirements?

2003-06-16 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Linotype looks great but I'm not sure about the browser requirements. IIUC from "welcome to Linotype" page, the editing mode only requires Mozilla 1.3, is that right? -Bertrand

Re: FOM blocking 2.1 release

2003-06-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 15 juin 2003, à 13:42 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : ...So, my question is: what do people _want_ to see finished in 2.1? FOM? New portal FW? Form FW consolidation? Anything else? After reading the recent talks about Flow, I'm for waiting on the FOM to release 2.1. Starting wi

Re: Cocoon Nuke

2003-06-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 14 juin 2003, à 23:56 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...But again, enough talking, let's do stuff... +1 ;-) -Bertrand

Re: [Vote] Release Cocoon 2.1 and Cocoon 2.0.5

2003-06-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I'm with Geoff, same votes for me, also adding mention that Flow is to be considered beta. -Bertrand Le Samedi, 14 juin 2003, à 13:16 Europe/Zurich, Geoff Howard a écrit : [ -.5 ] Release Cocoon 2.1 /immediately/. Carsten suggested the 24th of Agree with Upayavira on the need and use of a relea

Re: zip sample

2003-06-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 14 juin 2003, à 08:26 Europe/Zurich, Upayavira a écrit : On cocoon-users, Matthias Stoeckel has just submitted a patch to add a zip sample to the 'hello world samples'. Is it reasonable enough for me to add it? I think so - IIUC, Matthias's sample does not require any blocks to be pr

Re: XMLForm repeat tag power! ?

2003-06-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 13 juin 2003, à 12:17 Europe/Zurich, Jeroen Cranendonk a écrit : ...Someone should copy paste that to some documentation or sample ;) If you could add this info to the Wiki at http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp it would be great. This is very easy do to, just follow the instructions

Re: Cocoon Nuke

2003-06-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 9 juin 2003, à 23:11 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : Sure, but module writers care about what's under the hood. And hardcoded HTML means hard-to-write modules, and therefore no fancy features !... Totally agreed. ...Mmmh... you're IMO both right and wrong. Right, because J

Re: Cocoon Nuke

2003-06-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 7 juin 2003, à 09:44 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : the code samples made my hair draw up on my head : hardcoded HTML in Java code !! Blessed arth thou, who haveth hair on their head ;-) It shows that users of such apps (simple CMSes) do not care what's under the hood.

Re: [Fwd: Re: [xml-dev] XML websites]

2003-06-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 6 juin 2003, à 13:58 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : Anyone heard about this already? It was mentioned last year here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=103675234921735&w=2 -Bertrand

Re: The end of the infamous endorsed libs problem : ParanoidCocoonServlet now really paranoid

2003-06-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 3 juin 2003, à 15:28 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...Damn. How to solve this ? Install another Tomcat ? Yeah, it will work, but will add yet-another-JVM to the server, which I wanted to avoid. So, I decided to use ParanoidCocoonServlet, and discovered that it was actually n

Re: The end of the infamous endorsed libs problem : ParanoidCocoonServlet now really paranoid

2003-06-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 3 juin 2003, à 15:42 Europe/Zurich, Vadim Gritsenko a écrit : ... Good explanation. Any chance it will get into Javadoc and wiki? ;-) I'm just wikifying it as we speak.. -Bertrand

Re: AntBuildGenerator (was: Unresolved bugs with patches)

2003-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 3 juin 2003, à 12:05 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ...On the other hand we could apply such contributions simply in the scratchpad. Makes sense, in this way they won't be forgotten but it is clear that they're not part of the Cocoon core. -Bertrand

AntBuildGenerator (was: Unresolved bugs with patches)

2003-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 3 juin 2003, à 11:33 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : ...20138 [PATCH] AntBuildGenerator -> Bertrand? (I'm -0 on adding such hacks onto Cocoon, but anyhow)... Dunno about hacks - an AntBuildGenerator block certainly triggers some FS alarms here, but doesn't cause much harm as it c

Re: Unresolved bugs with patches

2003-06-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 3 juin 2003, à 08:06 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : ...I think this is plain simple - as long as noone of the committers has time for it and has fun in doing so, nothing will happen Yes, but I think Joerg has a point too: more comments on bugzilla could help people under

Re: dbxml

2003-05-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 31 mai 2003, à 00:31 Europe/Zurich, John Merrells a écrit : ...There is a kind-of a standard API for XML databases, but it's not a very good one, and doesn't have the backing of an established standards organisation. So the interface code would have to be written to our dbxml API I

Re: dbxml

2003-05-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
aving a powerful XML database work with Cocoon. -- Bertrand Delacretaz (codeconsult.ch, jfor.org) XML, java, XSLT, Cocoon, FOP, mentoring/programming/teaching blogspace http://www.codeconsult.ch/bertrand

Re: Customization (ResourceSelectorAction?)

2003-05-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 28 mai 2003, à 13:37 Europe/Zurich, Geoff Howard a écrit : ...What about the chain input module? Is is certainly similar in concept to what I suggest, but how would you test for existence of files/resources dynamically with this module? -Bertrand

Re: Customization (ResourceSelectorAction?)

2003-05-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 28 mai 2003, à 09:28 Europe/Zurich, Mato Mira, Fernando a écrit : ...There is a fallback mechanism whereby when the framework looks for some page foo the following search will be performed (say the user has Spanish in his preferences): foo_hisproduct_sp.html foo_hisproduct_en.html

Re: [RT] FOM (session/continuation DOS attacks)

2003-05-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 27 mai 2003, à 18:33 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : on 5/27/03 2:33 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ...I like that, but isn't there a possible attack where a client makes a lot of requests without cookies/session IDs, and overflows the poor server who's creating m

Re: docs broken in current build (missing IdGeneratorTransformer)

2003-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 4 avr 2003, à 19:25 Europe/Zurich, Jeff Turner a écrit : ...Thanks for chasing up. Fingers crossed, this should now work. It does, thanks! -Bertrand

Re: docs broken in current build (missing IdGeneratorTransformer)

2003-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 2 avr 2003, à 17:20 Europe/Zurich, Jeff Turner a écrit : ...It should all work now. If not, please ping me. It does not work here (mac osx, jdk 1.4.1) unfortunately, after doing: cvs update build.sh clean build.sh cocoon.sh servlet I still get Could not load class org.apache.cocoon

Re: [RT] the quest for the perfect template language

2003-04-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 3 avr 2003, à 12:33 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: That is, unless real good XML editors are widely available, but this is not the case today, IMHO programmers prefer writing structured ASCII than XML because of the tools available. I disagree

Re: [RT] the quest for the perfect template language

2003-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 2 avr 2003, à 21:22 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : ..."Who needs braces when you've got spaces!" ;-) hehe - I see that my Whitespace proposal is bearing some fruit ;-) -Bertrand

Re: [RT] the quest for the perfect template language

2003-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 2 avr 2003, à 20:25 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...IMHO, the template language which is closer to the optimum is XSLT but only with one change: FORGET THE XML SYNTAX! +1 This is happening to some extent with the wiki syntax vs XML documents: if there is a good en

Re: Is "build jetty-standlone" needed?

2003-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 2 avr 2003, à 16:45 Europe/Zurich, Diana Shannon a écrit : ...What if the build target were called teaching/demo-target instead of jetty-standalone, with a disclaimer including some of Pier's concerns, so that it wouldn't appear that we were "promoting" jetty, rather, just helping

Re: docs broken in current build (missing IdGeneratorTransformer)

2003-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 2 avr 2003, à 16:55 Europe/Zurich, Jeff Turner a écrit : ... I forgot to do it for the 'webapp' target. Will fix ASAP. Thanks - nothing urgent for me, just wanted to let you know. -Bertrand

Re: docs broken in current build (missing IdGeneratorTransformer)

2003-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Apparently there are more dependencies on Forrest for the live docs than what I mentioned in my last message, removing the line that I mentioned brings different errors. I'm not sure what the decision was regarding keeping the current docs alive, is it something that should be fixed? -Bertrand

docs broken in current build (missing IdGeneratorTransformer)

2003-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
src/documentation/sitemap.xmap contains: From revision 1.5 (jefft 26-Mar-03) Which causes http://localhost:/docs/ to fail as this class is not included in the webapp build (it comes from Forrest). As far as I can tell this transformer is not actually used, can it be removed from the site

Re: Is "build jetty-standlone" needed?

2003-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 2 avr 2003, à 15:27 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ...I guess Bertrand's purpose is not to use it on production servers, but to have a small standalone server that can be used for e.g. demonstrations. Exactly, demos and teaching. Problem is, with the current setup people w

Is "build jetty-standlone" needed?

2003-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think there is currently no easy way to deploy a Jetty + cocoon system by just copying files created by the cocoon build. One way that I found is as follows: -create build/jetty-standalone directory -copy lib/endorsed, tools/loader, tools/jetty, cocoon.sh and coco

Re: [RT] Towards a new/another Forms Framework

2003-04-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 2 avr 2003, à 00:02 Europe/Zurich, Neeme Praks a écrit : ...I also read that doc and couldn't really figure out the distinction between data-types and field-types... both of them can be used in field declarations, so where exactly is the difference? The idea is that data-type is a m

[OT] interesting read about ant

2003-04-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?TheElementsOfAntStyle Lots of useful stuff IMHO. -Bertrand

Re: [RT] Towards a new/another Forms Framework

2003-04-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 1 avr 2003, à 17:24 Europe/Zurich, Bruno Dumon a écrit : ...That's basically the one thing where we differ in approach: I would just let the fields remember their value, instead of requiring some bean here, so the data and the form are the same. ok - makes sense with the distinction b

Re: [RT] Towards a new/another Forms Framework

2003-04-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 1 avr 2003, à 16:18 Europe/Zurich, Bruno Dumon a écrit : ...It should be possible to create a form just by describing its structure in an XML file (lets call this a "form description"). I don't like the fact that for XMLForm/Struts the user needs to write a bean just to hold the form d

Re: [OT] Porting Cocoon to the Whitespace language?

2003-04-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 1 avr 2003, à 15:14 Europe/Zurich, Geoff Howard a écrit : ...Comment dit-on "April fish" en Francais? Well I don't know if this a recursive April's fools joke but I'm a courageous boy so: Poisson d'avril! -Bertrand

Re: [OT] Porting Cocoon to the Whitespace language?

2003-04-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 1 avr 2003, à 13:19 Europe/Zurich, Diana Shannon a écrit : ...Do other countries besides the US celebrate a pranks/joke day like today, April 1? Or are we the only fools? ;-) AFAIK it happens everywhere in Western Europe, but I might be wrong? I don't know about other countries. -Bertra

[OT] Porting Cocoon to the Whitespace language?

2003-04-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I'm starting to think that porting Cocoon to the Whitespace language (http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/) could bring a lot of benefits. Apparently this language allows one to get rid of all encoding problems by using a strictly restricted character set. Tools are not yet available for all pl

Re: [ANN] New version of XMLForm released

2003-03-31 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 1 avr 2003, à 06:28 Europe/Zurich, ivelin a écrit : ...The propsed plan is to replace the current module with an Action/Transformer adapter pair that references the standalone library. Could you clarify, so that everyone's on the same wavelength: does "standalone library" mean a) code

wiki title levels (was Re: cvs commit: ...selftest.txt)

2003-03-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 27 mars 2003, à 18:16 Europe/Zurich, Stephan Michels a écrit : ... section = root level -> biggest title subsection = sub level -> smaller title Should be correct, IHMO. ;-) Yes, but I think the problem was in the wiki grammar, changing the sections stuff to %token titleitem "!!!"; %to

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/chaperon/samples/wikitest selftest.txt

2003-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Stephan, Le Jeudi, 27 mars 2003, à 17:17 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : ... Nested sections should now work properly. They do, but I think the title sizes are upside-down: in JSPWiki, ! is the smalles title, !!! is the biggest and here I see the opposite. But this parsing looks

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/chaperon/samples/wikitest selftest.txt

2003-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 27 mars 2003, à 17:40 Europe/Zurich, Stephan Michels a écrit : ...Did you noticed that the XML document, which the xdoc-view produces is incorrect?... Now that you say it yes, I saw that too. -Bertrand

Re: tallying [Re: [vote] micro-decision for docs: creation of cocoon-docs CVS module]

2003-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 27 mars 2003, à 15:17 Europe/Zurich, Pier Fumagalli a écrit : ... +1 :-) Should I open the repo? +1. As I understand there are no risks associated with this, just need indicate in the announcement that commits to this will affect cocoon-2.1 too, so voting is probably not required for

Re: tallying [Re: [vote] micro-decision for docs: creation of cocoon-docs CVS module]

2003-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 27 mars 2003, à 14:31 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : ...It's good to see that the 'requirement' to vote adds some energy to the discussion, but then again, you, Diana & David are mostly right when suggesting that vote was premature and underspecified. I'm the hero of underspeci

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/chaperon/samples/wikitest selftest.txt

2003-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 27 mars 2003, à 14:12 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : stephan 2003/03/27 05:12:21 Modified:src/blocks/chaperon/samples sitemap.xmap src/blocks/chaperon/samples/grammars wiki.grm src/blocks/chaperon/samples/stylesheets wiki2xdoc.xsl

Re: tallying [Re: [vote] micro-decision for docs: creation of cocoon-docs CVS module]

2003-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 27 mars 2003, à 13:52 Europe/Zurich, Diana Shannon a écrit : ... I think a discussion intermixed with a vote changes the vote so that people end up voting on different issues -- with no clear cut result. Agreed - in this particular case, the best thing might be to cancel the current vo

Re: Wiki grammar selft-test created

2003-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 27 mars 2003, à 11:20 Europe/Zurich, Stephan Michels a écrit : ...Test 1.2: The current concept was to separate the sections by the titles. ! = root level section, !! = subsection, !!! subsubsection etc. The grammar is designed to expect text after a title, which fill the section. So th

Wiki grammar selft-test created

2003-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I have added a self-describing test of the Chaperon Wiki grammar under src/blocks/chaperon/samples, accessible from http://localhost:/samples/chaperon/wikitest/selftest.html . Reading the resulting document tells you about the test results. Please add test cases if you discover or know about

Re: CVS question (OT:eclipse on osx)

2003-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 26 mars 2003, à 15:22 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...you can get the english keyboard as a spare part and change it within a few seconds. Too late for me - the local keyboard layout was engraved in my brain s long ago ;-) In the meantime they fixed the keyboard

Re: CVS question (OT:eclipse on osx)

2003-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 26 mars 2003, à 11:39 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...yes, eclipse is a pig on osx, but I do have a 1Ghz G4 to push it :) so do I ;-) and I'm used to slow editing (actually slower IDEs increase your produtivity by forcing you to think more and do less try/fail cycles)

Re: [vote] Forrestizing Cocoon and more

2003-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 26 mars 2003, à 11:24 Europe/Zurich, Jeff Turner a écrit : ...Getting the latest Chaperon updates was a major impetus for the recent Cocoon upgrade. Wiki parsing is just waiting for a volunteer... Do you mean Chaperon has been improved for better wiki parsing? I might have a need fo

Re: CVS question (OT:eclipse on osx)

2003-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 26 mars 2003, à 10:51 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: using Eclipse 2.1 or 2.0.2 you can click (right) on a file or directory and select "Team/Change ASCII Binary Property...". ah, cool, I missed that. Thanks much. Just curious, are you using ecli

Re: [vote] micro-decision for docs: creation of cocoon-docs CVS module

2003-03-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 26 mars 2003, à 10:45 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : So, the proposal is not about forcing docu-oriented people as second-class citizens, but potentially allowing people (or services) that *request* or *need* to be docu-oriented-only to be able to be given karma l

Re: [proposal] a new kind of 'dist' (Forrest for binary dist)

2003-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 25 mars 2003, à 20:36 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a écrit : Again I repeat my suggestion... what about driving users to Forrest for the impatient? It also contains preconfigured stuff for site building, it seems perfect for the impatient, no? I also missed it the first time

Re: Build broken

2003-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 25 mars 2003, à 09:23 Europe/Zurich, Upayavira a écrit : ...No, it should just be called core/util.concurrent... not lib/core/util.concurrent. However, fix that one, and you'll get the Batik block complaining about a missing jar. I didn't work that one out i'm afraid. I corrected the

Re: [proposal] a new kind of 'dist'

2003-03-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 24 mars 2003, à 15:31 Europe/Zurich, Geoff Howard a écrit : ...Would it help the psychological barrier to have a user friendly "Where is the binary" document/paragraph available and hard to miss that explains why we think even non programmers can and should build this from source? Not

Re: [proposal] a new kind of 'dist'

2003-03-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 24 mars 2003, à 14:45 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...Right. I'll commit a dist target today to show you what I mean and we'll vote from that, ok? Way to go - this will help us make a better decision, and it doesn't prevent making binary dists later on if needed. ...do

Re: [proposal] a new kind of 'dist'

2003-03-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 24 mars 2003, à 12:38 Europe/Zurich, Upayavira a écrit : But we have to take psychology into account. CVS scared me at first. Build scared me too. How do we make the learning curve easier? Why loose people who don't get past those first hurdles, when they may well be perfectly capab

Re: [proposal] a new kind of 'dist'

2003-03-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 24 mars 2003, à 11:43 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...Oh, sure, but I was thinking of calling the distribution Apache_Cocoon_2.1.zip (or something like that) so it won't have "source" written anywhere. ok - if the distribution is "psychologically correct" then I'm fine. W

Re: [vote] Forrestizing Cocoon and more

2003-03-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 23 mars 2003, à 14:38 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...This said, here are the actions you should vote: 1) cocoon moves to forrest for its documentation production +1 2) if so, cocoon does it before releasing 2.1 +1 3) if so, I'd like a 'fast-yet-potentially-disrup

Re: [proposal] a new kind of 'dist'

2003-03-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 23 mars 2003, à 15:25 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ... Before you jump up and down and scream "no, no, binaries are easier for our users", get off your life-without-a-compiler-windows-inflicted-mindset and think that every JDK comes with a compiler. Technically, I'm w

Re: [vote] Andrew Savory as Cocoon committer

2003-03-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 23 mars 2003, à 14:22 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : I propose Andrew Savory as Cocoon committer here's my +1 -Bertrand

Re: [vote] Geoff Howard as Cocoon committer

2003-03-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 23 mars 2003, à 14:55 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : I propose Geoff Howard as Cocoon committer. +1 here. -Bertrand

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 23 mars 2003, à 14:20 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : If the mantra "only use released version of a product" was applied by Forrest then we would not be doing very well. We now need, and probably always will need, a recent Cocoon head. Perhaps we can relax this rule for F

[proposal] add Forrest binaries to our CVS

2003-03-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
(cc to -docs for info, please discuss on -dev) Recent activity on the cocoon-docs list suggests that the Forrestization of our docs might be happening soon, and this raises some issues due to the circular dependencies that this creates between Cocoon and Forrest. See [1] and [2]. Could we add

Re: Please test catalog entity resolver (mac osx passes)

2003-03-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 20 mars 2003, à 08:51 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : ...By the way, how is your new Mac going (says me jealously)? Just great - a mobile unix-based system combined with the cool desktop and media tools is a developer's dream come true IMHO. -Bertrand

Re: Please test catalog entity resolver (mac osx passes)

2003-03-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 20 mars 2003, à 07:15 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : ...There are two samples at http://localhost:/samples/catalog/welcome Hi David, catalog-demo works fine here (mac osx 10.2.3, JDK 1.4.1_01) as far as I can tell: all five entities in catalog-demo.xml are resolved correct

Re: [RT] Cocoon's own publishing system (removing "build docs"?)

2003-03-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Stefano, +1 on your proposal, just two comments below: ...4) the staging server will regenerate results automatically... It would be good to be able to know when/if this has happened when working on docs. Either a web page on the staging site with a report of what was done, logs, or somethin

Re: [RF] Entropy Killed the Cat

2003-03-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 10 mars 2003, à 21:14 Europe/Zurich, Steven Noels a écrit : trying to overcome a situation like this should not be done by analyzing and answering each individual phrase of an email > exchange +1 We must not forget that the asynchronous written communication we're using here

Re: Ripping the heart out

2003-03-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 9 mars 2003, à 00:18 Europe/Zurich, Antonio Gallardo a écrit : Since this experience I always save the "last" knowned working Cocoon.war file. Good practice for sure, but not required as the code is available in CVS: just checking out the code from a "known good" date (or CVS t

Re: taking a break

2003-03-08 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 8 mars 2003, à 21:34 Europe/Zurich, Ovidiu Predescu a écrit : After more than 3 years working with and on cocoon, for various reasons, I've decided to stop my active involvement with it, at least for a while ... I'm sure we'd get a lot of -1 if we could vote on this one... Many thank

Re: Status of CVS Repositories Renaming

2003-03-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
... Is there _anyone_ who knows how to rebuild and put live the site??? :-) :-) There is a description at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-docs&m=103408114414107&w=2 (never tried it myself though) If you find it accurate, please let me know and I'll add it to the wiki so it is easier to

Re: [VOTE] New CVS Repository Names (was: [PROPOSAL] New CVS Repository Names )

2003-03-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 27 fév 2003, à 14:30 Europe/Zurich, Carsten Ziegeler a écrit : I hope I have summarized this correctly. If so, please cast your votes. +1 on everything. -Bertrand

Re: [VOTE:PMC] Proposal for Lenya as a Cocoon subproject

2003-03-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Late but: +1 -Bertrand I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject. ... Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.

Re: The new build system

2003-02-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Samedi, 22 fév 2003, à 06:37 Europe/Zurich, Ovidiu Predescu a écrit : If you're an Emacs user... not yet, but you're tempting us regularly, so it might happen sooner or later ;-) ... This way you edit the source file and when you save it, it's automatically updated in the running system.

Re: [proposal] Removing the scratchpad

2003-02-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 21 fév 2003, à 16:02 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...I propose to dump it and to move the code into 'alpha blocks'. +1 ...Of course, that also means that those blocks are marked as such in the properties files and removed from the official distribution +1 -Be

Re: The new build system

2003-02-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...This would shorten the edit/compile/test cycle and avoid something that happens to me quite often : editing source files in the build directory ! I know what you feel, Sylvain. Been there ;-) -Bertrand

Re: The new build system

2003-02-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...Would it make sense to add the possibility to debug the application too? It would be a matter of adding a couple of jvmargs like > This way, it would be a piece of cake to remotely debug the application. I'm just wondering whether it should be another target or a switch like "./

Re: The new build system

2003-02-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
...BUILD FAILED file:///Users/jermq/Checkouts/Secure/xml-cocoon2/build.xml:669: IOException: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /Users/jermq/Checkouts/Secure/xml-cocoon2/build/cocoon-2.1-dev/webapp/ samples/sitemap.xmap (No such file or directory) Same here, but I'm out of time to investigate fu

Re: The new build system

2003-02-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 21 fév 2003, à 13:36 Europe/Zurich, Jeremy Quinn a écrit : ... #exclude.webapp.documentation=true #exclude.webapp.javadocs=true ... these are not excluding individual 'blocks' Just have a look at "blocks.properties" instead of "build.properties" ;-) -Bertrand

Re: cvs commit: xml-cocoon2 build.xml

2003-02-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Vendredi, 21 fév 2003, à 12:41 Europe/Zurich, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : ... fixed endorsed classpath issue with running jetty on jdk 1.3.x "build.sh run" works now here on JDK 1.3.1/macosx - thanks! -Bertrand

Re: The new build system (JDK 1.3.1/macosx issues)

2003-02-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Jeudi, 20 fév 2003, à 21:44 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : The new build system has landed on CVS. woooh-hooh-hooh, looks great! I have a few issues here however, most probably related to my JDK (1.3.1 on macosx 10.2.3). After a build clean + CVS update (no local.* stuff), bu

Re: documentation in separate cvs module or block

2003-02-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 19 fév 2003, à 05:11 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : ... We seem to be falling into the old trap of dreaming up new tools every time that the documentation subject arises. +1, thanks for pointing this out. Hopefully we can get the Forrestization done soon and move on. -Be

closing cocoon-docs? (was: Cocoon Project Report)

2003-02-17 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Lundi, 17 fév 2003, à 14:41 Europe/Zurich, Sylvain Wallez a écrit : ... So what about closing cocoon-docs ? This would avoid believing some mysterious entities are writing the docs for us... I'd give a reluctant +1 to this proposal. Reluctant because I thought a separate docs list would all

Re: Cocoon on a Zaurus PDA

2003-02-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
I want to see if it is possible to get Cocoon to work on a Zaurus. Sylvain Wallez gave an interesting presentation about such use-cases at the GetTogether 2002, see http://outerthought.net/gettogether/06%20-%20presentation%20- %20sylvain.pdf -Bertrand -

Re: sample web-app too complex?

2003-02-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 12 fév 2003, à 16:56 Europe/Zurich, Michael Melhem a écrit : ... We would also have only one or two pipelines using say a basic file generator to transform an xml file to HTML etc. I think at a minimum the webapp would aslo need to show basic use of actions views.. ... Does anyone e

Mailing list subject lines (was: [proposal] aiming to a naked cocoon)

2003-02-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 12 fév 2003, à 15:05 Europe/Zurich, Bill Barnhill a écrit : Not my day. I thought the message the URL referred to was an etiquette guide for Open Source mailing lists. See "Contribution Notes and Tips" at http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/contrib.html, I don't know if it is complete

Re: [proposal] aiming to a naked cocoon

2003-02-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
ntention in a message titled "[proposal] using Maven for the build system" or something like this, to make it more visible and hopefully trigger a discussion. -- Bertrand Delacretaz (codeconsult.ch, jfor.org) XML, java, XSLT, Cocoo

Re: [proposal] aiming to a naked cocoon

2003-02-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 12 fév 2003, à 11:02 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : ...why duplicating jars? FOP relies on fop. Batik relies on batik and so on. The blocks that rely on shared jars, will have those jars shared in another location. Besides, how many are we talking about?... Ok, if shar

Re: [proposal] aiming to a naked cocoon

2003-02-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mercredi, 12 fév 2003, à 10:12 Europe/Zurich, Stephan Michels a écrit : ... +1, especially moving the libs into the blocks... Wouldn't the duplication of jars generate a huge CVS repository? It's big enough already. An option might be to keep the jars in a well-structured lib/ subdire

Re: [vote] remove interactive build targets

2003-02-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Mardi, 11 fév 2003, à 22:07 Europe/Zurich, Stefano Mazzocchi a écrit : I believe interactive targets are harmful and I propose to remove them. +1, using properties to configure builds is much better IMHO. -Bertrand - To un

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