Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le Dimanche, 23 mars 2003, à 14:20 Europe/Zurich, David Crossley a écrit : If the mantra "only use released version of a product" was applied by Forrest then we would not be doing very well. We now need, and probably always will need, a recent Cocoon head. Perhaps we can relax this rule for F

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-23 Thread David Crossley
Diana Shannon wrote: > I'm not saying it isn't working. I'm saying the **only** reason it works > now is because we are using a cvs-based version of an outside project, > not a released version. Stefano recently stated in: >http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-dev&m=104619931816392&w=

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-23 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Diana Shannon wrote: All right. Since there is circular dependency between cocoon and forrest, I would suggest we release cocoon 2.1 first, allow forrest to release a new version based on 2.1 and at that point forrestize our docs. how does that sound? But this circular dependency will always b

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-23 Thread Diana Shannon
On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 02:59 AM, David Crossley wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Diana Shannon wrote: For example, current forrest build capability with cocoon's cvs is only possible with Forrest CVS, not the last Forrest release. This violates your "building on sand" philosophy. I am no

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-22 Thread David Crossley
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > Diana Shannon wrote: > > Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > >> Diana Shannon wrote: > >> > >>> Perhaps it's just the nature of open source software, that a > >>> tremendous amount of energy is unleashed right before a release date. Actually i do not think that there is a "relea

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Diana Shannon wrote: On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Perhaps it's just the nature of open source software, that a tremendous amount of energy is unleashed right before a release date. Perhaps there's no other way. Still, it feels, to be honest, like poor pla

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-22 Thread Diana Shannon
On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 11:13 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Perhaps it's just the nature of open source software, that a tremendous amount of energy is unleashed right before a release date. Perhaps there's no other way. Still, it feels, to be honest, like poor planning. If we follow t

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Diana Shannon wrote: On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 04:53 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Inside, we are all equal so once you get it can either be a democracy (ask first, wait for momentum to build, potentially forever) or a do-ocracy (do first, rollback if they jump on you or keep going if you

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-22 Thread Torsten Curdt
> You can't cook without making a mess in the chitchen. But as long as you > are the one cleaning up, nobody can complain, expecially if the food > comes up great :) exactly! > [and those of you who experienced my cooking know what I'm talking about :)] lol :)) -- Torsten

Re: cvs disruption (was: Re: Setting up a PMC mailinglist)

2003-03-22 Thread Torsten Curdt
> I'm just concerned that some people may remain "bruised" from the recent > cvs problems that came about from upgrading the build. I think as long as we decide/vote to go a specific trail there is no reason to be "bruised" whether it is unpleasant for a while or not. At least for HEAD :) > If

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-22 Thread Diana Shannon
Responding to Steven and Stefano here: On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 05:23 PM, Steven Noels wrote: there's a lot of stuff out there and we should be able to work on this as a team. Even if the transition is carefully documented (as you already did at great length), I assume there might be issu

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: I guess so. We, the doco people, also have the right to do disruptive things! ;-) There is no such things as 'doco people', Steven. I got already busted once for that ;-) Stefano.

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-22 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Diana Shannon wrote: Perhaps the best thing is to simply throw it in the cvs and let everyone help finish the work -- as is happening right now. Apache is a meritocracy but that's from the outside. Inside, we are all equal so once you get it can either be a democracy (ask first, wait for momen

Re: cvs disruption

2003-03-21 Thread Steven Noels
On 21/03/2003 21:42 Diana Shannon wrote: On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 08:15 AM, Steven Noels wrote: There's movement on the -docs list and perhaps also a Forrest quantum leap blossoming, so we'd better do this before or after this assumably disruptive step. I also wanted to state strongly th

cvs disruption (was: Re: Setting up a PMC mailinglist)

2003-03-21 Thread Diana Shannon
On Friday, March 21, 2003, at 08:15 AM, Steven Noels wrote: There's movement on the -docs list and perhaps also a Forrest quantum leap blossoming, so we'd better do this before or after this assumably disruptive step. I also wanted to state strongly that I don't believe Forrest transition need