Hi Code4Libbers,
Slightly odd question for you academic library folks. Why does your
library have its website where it is on the university site? For context,
the library I currently work at has our library site hidden within the
campus intranet/portal, so that students have to log into a web po
Matt,
Not odd at all! I've dealt with this issue for most of my career. In
the three academic libraries I've worked in, the library's site was
NOT part of the overall college/university portal. In fact, it was
more the case that we (me, the web person, and my supervisors) were
establishing our aut
ibrary.ucla.edu
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Hi Code4Libbers,
Slightly odd question for you a
This is actually becoming an announce to our employees because we have to
spend so much time explaining where the library site is. We are pretty
much an Ex Libris shop at the moment, Primo, Metalib, SFX, all locked
behind Sharepoint. I am not sure what the main campus site is using for a
CMS, but
At my institution, the library's web presence predates the university as a
whole's presence. We currently share a server with the main university site
but have control over all our content and can make updates without having
to go through public relations (thank goodness). Our site is linked from
t
Matt,
Can totally see how this is a nuisance for staff, and it would make me
die on the inside, too! As a short term measure, could you set up and
advertise an alias (something like library.institutiondomainname.edu)
to get directly to the web site, or would that not work with the
portal?
Also, d
Matt,
Our website is part of the main campus CMS (Sitecore). There are also links
to it on the intranet/student portal, which drive quite a bit of the
traffic.
A few others have alluded to this, but you can look to my library's website
as an example of how horribly wrong things can go when univer
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Hi Code4Libbers,
Slightly odd question for you academic library folks. Why does your library
I suspect at some point every student needs to use resources from the Library.
therefore making the library central to campus and education.
There is a link to our library site on the main campus site home page, along
with the links Apply Online, Visit, Faculty Portal, Alumni, Parents and Family
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This is actually becoming an announce to our employees because we have to
spend so much time explaining where the library site is. We are pretty
much an Ex Libris shop at t
on around that mission.
Hope this helps,
Evan
Evan Boyd
Assistant Librarian, Chicago Theological Seminary
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Hi Code4Libbers,
Slightly odd question for you academic library folks. Why does your library
have its website where it is on the university site? For context, the lib
This topic actually comes up pretty regularly on lists for web types;
wonder if we could put together some type of sharing resource where we
all talk about how we made the case to split off the library's web
site? I feel like it's a battle so many of us have fought and can
therfore help our colleag
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Phone: 718.982.4023
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Hi
ersity of New York
> College of Staten Island Library
> 2800 Victory Blvd., 1L-109I
> Staten Island, N.Y. 10314
> Phone: 718.982.4023
> valerie.forres...@csi.cuny.edu
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While it's a really good idea to make sure your library's website is
prominent on your institution's page (because I think that does send a
strong signal, even to students, that your library is important to your
campus), the really big question is how easily your students will be able
to find your
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
>
> Hmm, this sounds weird to say, but it never occured to me that most students
> would start from the institutional home page, or really ever visit the
> institutional home page at all. Largely because most institutional home
> pages are
Unfortunately, marketing is at the top of the food chain at many universities,
and when it is not, it is often just behind athletics.
I have seen some libraries break out by going rogue and establishing their own
sites outside of their universities, funded by petty cash or by tying web
services
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Lauren Magnuson wrote:
> While it's a really good idea to make sure your library's website is
> prominent on your institution's page (because I think that does send a
> strong signal, even to students, that your library is important to your
> campus), the really bi
On 12/17/13 1:46 PM, Lisa Rabey wrote:
I'm with Lisa in that when checking out other institutions, I check to
see how many clicks it takes to get to the library, and if it is not
immediately on the landing page of the college OR at least a drop down
link from a parent portal, I start becoming Jud
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 2:53 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
> While institutions often take that approach, I am not sure that people do, at
> least if there is an alternative. Sure, folks might go to the home page once
> or twice to get to the library home page, just as they might use a campus map
> to
While institutions often take that approach, I am not sure that people do, at
least if there is an alternative. Sure, folks might go to the home page once or
twice to get to the library home page, just as they might use a campus map to
find a library building, but folks who use the library's onl
Agree - you'd still need evidence to convince the powers that be. To get
some data to that end, maybe some snapshot usability observation where you
sit down a handful of users at a computer (better yet, on a tablet/mobile
device) and ask them to find the library's website (ensuring that the
browse
My key point, and likely the only point of note is: "Your library stats should
tell the tale of how folks are getting there."
While these data won't necessarily lead to great predictions of future
behavior, as the institution might unintentionally (or intentionally) blocking
some desirable acce
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Agree - you'd still need evidence to convince the powers that be. To get
some data to that end, maybe some snapshot usability observation where you
sit down a handfu
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
> My key point, and likely the only point of note is: "Your library stats
> should tell the tale of how folks are getting there."
>
> While these data won't necessarily lead to great predictions of future
> behavior, as the institution might un
On Tuesday, December 17, 2013, Lauren Magnuson wrote:
> While it's a really good idea to make sure your library's website is
> prominent on your institution's page (because I think that does send a
> strong signal, even to students, that your library is important to your
> campus), the really big
I'm with Lisa in that when checking out other institutions, I check to
see how many clicks it takes to get to the library, and if it is not
immediately on the landing page of the college OR at least a drop down
link from a parent portal, I start becoming Judgey McJudgepants on
that institution. Bec
> Your library stats should tell the tale of how folks are getting there.
FWIW our Google Analytics stats indicate search being the primary vehicle:
45.9% Google
12.0% LMS (Moodle)
6.6% university management school subsite
4.3% OPAC
3.9% university main site
3.6% university education school subsit
The difficulty lies in the details.
I don't understand the distinction between "organic findability" and "direct
going to the URIs" (presumably URLs, which go somewhere). While going directly
to resources would skew your stats, presumably in a good way, I don't see that
they would impact your f
I wouldn't discount the main institution's website as the beginning place for
many students to reach the library's website! Both my analytics and my
classroom/reference desk usability testing/observations confirm that our
students, by a large majority, start at the University's homepage and then
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
> I don't understand the distinction between "organic findability" and "direct
> going to the URIs" (presumably URLs, which go >somewhere). While going
> directly to resources would skew your stats, presumably in a good way, I
> don't see that
Salvete!
> While it's a really good idea to make sure your library's website is
> prominent on your institution's page (because I think that does send a
> strong signal, even to students, that your library is important to your
> campus), the really big question is how easily your students will be
Wow, I am impressed by the variety of replies. A lot of good points have
been made and this really helps give thought and credence to our argument
to free our library website. I am in agreement with many of the general
points made and find the suggestions helpful, this will be a bit of a fight
to
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Wow, I am impressed by the variety of replies. A lot
Wiegand, Laura K. wrote:
I wouldn't discount the main institution's website as the beginning place for many
students to reach the library's website! Both my analytics and my classroom/reference
desk usability testing/observations confirm that our students, by a large majority, start
at the Uni
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
> Then again, how many university libraries can't be found by
> library..edu
>
I asked the network people at one of my institutions why it was
lib.name.edu and not library.name.edu, and was told the
library.name.edu was orignally slated for t
Our library has a pretty well-placed link on the university home page, so I
can't complain there.
The library website is the home page on the computers within our library
and commons buildings, so students can get right to their research.
I see no reason you should have the site under lock and ke
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