Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-11 Thread Michael B. Klein
I hear Roy Tennant talked Chuck Norris' fists into not punching him in the face. That's how smart Roy Tennant is. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Frumkin, Jeremy < frumk...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote: > Is Roy Tennant smarter than Chuck Norris is tough? > > -- jaf > > Sent from my iPad > > On J

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-07 Thread Nick Ruest
ERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michele R Combs Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:19 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum) I dunno, it's hard to imagine anything that's been sitting on a bar stool since before I was born as being

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-07 Thread Fleming, Declan
@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum) I dunno, it's hard to imagine anything that's been sitting on a bar stool since before I was born as being remotely attractive. But that might just be because I'm old. Well, old-ish. Michele -O

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Frumkin, Jeremy
Is Roy Tennant smarter than Chuck Norris is tough? -- jaf Sent from my iPad On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:51 PM, "Roy Tennant" wrote: > Roy Tennant is too smart to have an official position on this. Best to work > it out yourselves. :-) > Roy > > On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Ethan Gruber wrote: > >>

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Wilhelmina Randtke
45 CFR 46.102(f)(2): (f) Human subject means a living individual about whom an investigator (whether professional or student) conducting research obtains (1) Data through intervention or interaction with the individual, or (2) Identifiable private information. [. . .] Private information includes

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Roy Tennant
Roy Tennant is too smart to have an official position on this. Best to work it out yourselves. :-) Roy On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:06 PM, Ethan Gruber wrote: > The begs the question, what is the official Roy Tennant position on baloney > vs. bologna? May I suggest a viaf-like resource for food, in wh

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Mark A. Matienzo
On the internet, no one knows you're a dog. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Truitt, Marc wrote: > On 06/05/2012 02:18 PM, Michele R Combs wrote: >> >> I dunno, it's hard to imagine anything that's been sitting on a bar stool >> since before I was born as being remotely attractive. > > > Hmm... so

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Truitt, Marc
On 06/05/2012 02:18 PM, Michele R Combs wrote: I dunno, it's hard to imagine anything that's been sitting on a bar stool since before I was born as being remotely attractive. Hmm... sounds as though you've not ever lived with a Labrador Retriever! Most Labs I've met would be in dog heaven at

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Ellen Wilson
I'd have to disagree. Clearly, IMHO, seitan is the vegan Seal of No Approval Needed. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Kevin S. Clarke wrote: > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:55 PM, BWS Johnson > wrote: > > >> Bacon == Seal of Approval > >> Bologna == Seal of Disapproval > >> Salami == Seal of

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Mark A. Matienzo
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Becky Yoose wrote: > We need a meat that is disapproved of universally. May I suggest "pickled > pig's ears that have been sitting in a jar on a bar counter since you've > been born"? There are cultural assumptions in this disapproval. I suggest you retract this p

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Michele R Combs
U] On Behalf Of Mark A. Matienzo Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:17 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum) On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Becky Yoose wrote: > We need a meat that is disapproved of universally. May I suggest >

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread stuart yeates
On 06/06/12 06:11, Doran, Michael D wrote: Without asking permission of the list, I hereby assign this new category of things requiring OCLC oversight as "salami" on the charcuterie spectrum. Bologna == Seal of Disapproval There appears to be a typo here: Soylent Green == Seal of Disappro

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Michele R Combs
Perhaps spam spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans egg and spam? Michele -Original Message- From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Kevin S. Clarke Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:02 PM To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Kyle Banerjee
I vote for worms. I go to the garden to eat them when nobody loves me and everybody hates me On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Becky Yoose wrote: > Chicken gizzards, when prepared right (fried), are a delicacy. While I am > not a gizzard fan, many in my immediate and extended family are, so...

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Becky Yoose
Chicken gizzards, when prepared right (fried), are a delicacy. While I am not a gizzard fan, many in my immediate and extended family are, so... We need a meat that is disapproved of universally. May I suggest "pickled pig's ears that have been sitting in a jar on a bar counter since you've been b

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Pottinger, Hardy J.
+1 Tempeh == Seal of No Approval Needed, though finding an appropriate icon may be a challenge... -- HARDY POTTINGER University of Missouri Library Systems http://lso.umsystem.edu/~pottingerhj/ https://MOspace.umsystem.edu/ "The bigger the smile you give, the bigger the smile you get. Works every

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Ethan Gruber
The begs the question, what is the official Roy Tennant position on baloney vs. bologna? May I suggest a viaf-like resource for food, in which I may prefer the baloney label while allowing my data to be cross-searchable with bologna records? Is there an RDF ontology for this??? On Tue, Jun 5, 20

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread Kevin S. Clarke
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:55 PM, BWS Johnson wrote: >>   Bacon   == Seal of Approval >>   Bologna == Seal of Disapproval >>   Salami  == Seal of No Approval Needed >> > >     This has some serious flaws. I'm concerned about the relationships > between the desirability of the bespoke seals as they

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list (Charcuterie Spectrum)

2012-06-05 Thread BWS Johnson
Salvete! > Without asking permission of the list, I hereby assign this new category of > things requiring OCLC oversight as "salami" on the charcuterie > spectrum. > >   Bacon  == Seal of Approval >   Bologna == Seal of Disapproval >   Salami  == Seal of No Approval Needed >     This has so

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Doran, Michael D
05, 2012 12:04 PM > To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU > Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list > > Exactly the kind of observation that makes this list worth studying -- > Paul > > On 6/5/12 12:57 PM, Daniel Suchy wrote: > > Folks: aren't we forgetting

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Paul Orkiszewski
Exactly the kind of observation that makes this list worth studying -- Paul On 6/5/12 12:57 PM, Daniel Suchy wrote: Folks: aren't we forgetting the first step? Do we even have OCLC's permission?! Sorry :) Dan On 6/5/12 9:52 AM, "Truitt, Marc" wrote: On 06/04/2012 02:44 PM, Paul Orkiszewski

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Daniel Suchy
Folks: aren't we forgetting the first step? Do we even have OCLC's permission?! Sorry :) Dan On 6/5/12 9:52 AM, "Truitt, Marc" wrote: >On 06/04/2012 02:44 PM, Paul Orkiszewski wrote: >> the outcomes would be anonymous and there would be no e-mail harvest of >> any kind, especially and specifi

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Truitt, Marc
On 06/04/2012 02:44 PM, Paul Orkiszewski wrote: the outcomes would be anonymous and there would be no e-mail harvest of any kind, especially and specifically any commercial harvesting. [...] Eric Lease Morgan, the list admin, can provide an archive of the list, but I wanted to check with all of

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Kyle Banerjee
Wholeheartedly agree. Simply asking permission implies whoever you're asking has more business determining whether you have the right to do something than you do. It also implies you expect them to offer an opinion. People who don't know what's going on say "no" in such situations. The result is e

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Joseph Montibello
++ Mark N's comments made me wonder, "what kinds of things *don't* require IRB approval?" Here's a link to a page with the US's HHS department, Office for Human Research Protections. http://1.usa.gov/OHRPchart Nice little flowchart / decision tree. Looks like Paul's particular bit of research w

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Notess, Mark H
They are public: https://listserv.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A1=ind1206&L=CODE4LIB Have at it. While I fully support ethical research and even IRBs, we do everyone a disservice by appealing to IRBs to approve things that don't require their approval, even if we're just doing so to be "careful." It reminds

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-05 Thread Jonathan Rochkind
I think our list archives ought to be public, and ought ideally to be available to anyone without even having to make an out of band request to ELM. Are they not, can't you just download them from the web without even having to ask? Either way, yes, anyone should be able to get the archives to

Re: [CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-04 Thread Edward M. Corrado
I personally don't have any objections to this, and in fact, would be interested to find out what you discover. Make sure you check with your IRB to see if they require anything (sometimes even an anonymous survey can require IRB approval) if you are considering publishing your results. Also, if y

[CODE4LIB] Studying the email list

2012-06-04 Thread Paul Orkiszewski
Hi all, I'm interested in analyzing the list archives with a goal of studying how concepts move through the list over time, the relationship (or non-relationship) between discussions in the list and eventual implementations and practices in the broader library community, the zeitgeist over ti