" it may help to pick a random sample of the incidents and consider
whether the anti-harassment policy for code4lib would deal with it."
This is a good idea. Often, short policies will have the short formal
language up front, and then a comments section which isn't part of the
policy, but explain
Erik Hetzner
> MJ Ray wrote:
> > However, I'm saddened that I seem to be the first to object to the
> > hand-waving ("number of reports") and prejudice in the above
> > paragraph. The above problems seem more likely to arise from being
> > drunk or being idiots than from being men. […]
>
> Start
Wilhelmina Randtke
> I think maybe in librarianship in general, there is some trying to turn
> this around and use the same sexist advertising, but marginalize men
> instead.
I think this is a problem in society in general, not just
librarianship or technologists: aiming for some improbable perfe
At Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:34:41 +,
MJ Ray wrote:
>
> Esmé Cowles
> > Also, I've seen a number of reports over the last few years of women
> > who were harassed at predominately-male tech conferences. Taken
> > together, they paint a picture of men (particularly drunken men)
> > creating an atmo
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Karen Coyle wrote:
> Wow. We could not have gotten a better follow-up to our long thread about
> coders and non-coders.
>
> I don't git. I've used it to read code, but never contributed. I even
> downloaded a gui with a cute icon that is supposed to make it easy,
Wow. We could not have gotten a better follow-up to our long thread
about coders and non-coders.
I don't git. I've used it to read code, but never contributed. I even
downloaded a gui with a cute icon that is supposed to make it easy, and
it still is going to take some learning.
So I'm afrai
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Tim Spalding wrote:
> I'd support removing or somehow couching language about any organizer,
> including any volunteer, immediately ending a talk.
>
> All the other sanctions seem to involve the likelihood of deliberation
> involving some time and multiple people,
On 11/30/12 8:12 AM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote:
This is interesting. They actually had a male entertainer on stage in
velcro pants, then speedo and boots, at the WestLaw reception at
the American Association of Law Libraries annual meeting this year.
OMG, really?! Did anyone mention to them tha
This is interesting. They actually had a male entertainer on stage in
velcro pants, then speedo and boots, at the WestLaw reception at
the American Association of Law Libraries annual meeting this year.
Apparently that's not uncommon for the WestLaw reception. At the North
American Serials Intere
All,
Please feel free to make the changes you'd like to see and then submit a
pull request. I have added instructions for how to do this in the README:
https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy
I say this not to shame anyone in the jerky "patches welcome!" sense, but
as an acknowledgeme
I'd support removing or somehow couching language about any organizer,
including any volunteer, immediately ending a talk.
All the other sanctions seem to involve the likelihood of deliberation
involving some time and multiple people, and some possibility of a
misunderstanding being cleared up. I
As a preface, I fully support both of these changes in language.
That said, I think it's both important to balance the idea that sure,
sometimes people are idiots, with that sexism is a prevalent problem right
now at geek conventions, and that it's more than a 'bad and/or drunk
apples' problem.
T
Thanks, MJ. Done:
https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/commit/14c4e12023639200dea85de5db2a314ac305387a
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:34 AM, MJ Ray wrote:
> Esmé Cowles
> > Also, I've seen a number of reports over the last few years of women
> > who were harassed at predominately-male
Esmé Cowles
> Also, I've seen a number of reports over the last few years of women
> who were harassed at predominately-male tech conferences. Taken
> together, they paint a picture of men (particularly drunken men)
> creating an atmosphere that makes a lot of people feel excluded and
> worry abo
>It should be low barrier and low risk for individuals to tell
>"us"/"someone" when they feel uncomfortable. Hopefully with enough
>detail to allow for remediation/change.
Riffing from Naomi, and others, about the worry that people might be both
upset and not know how to proceed:
We have enough
The problem with "Try not to be an asshole." is that it is open to
interpretation. Someone might try not to be an asshole and fail
miserably. Google is more definite with "don't be evil", but opinion
varies as to whether they are much good at not being evil.
I think that it is difficult to have a
I think a good code is "Try not to be an asshole." You can but try.
Never-the-less, I feel it mitigates the need for an angry god and makes the
10 commandments redundant.
Anyway, thanks to Bess for raising the issue. I think all of you have made
a great start. I think there are more than enough v
D.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
Bess++
Not going to the conf this year, but very willing to pitch in on this
Carol
On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:46 PM, "Michael J. Giarlo"
wrote:
> bess++
>
> Let's do this.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 a
A+ would fork again
On Nov 27, 2012 7:47 AM, "Peter Murray" wrote:
> +1 to Bess for raising the topic -- I'm onboard.
>
> Jon's point is an important one. Code4Lib does not have a formal
> structure, owner, or convening body. Any power in the Code4Lib community
> is directly proportional to
This is now SOP for open-source software events and organizations. I
don't seem to do anything except go to open-source software events, so
I can't speak to any other type of event or group.
Cary
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo
wrote:
> Hi Kyle,
>
> IMO, this is less an instru
On 11/26/12 4:37 PM, Joe Hourcle wrote:
Don't be an asshole.
Could that become the 11th commandment, and could we get a really really
angry god to enforce it? Everywhere, all of the time?
kc
I think there was a second line of it, about how we had the right to
remove people who refused to f
bess++
giarlo++
matienzo++
tennant++
all who have agreed to volunteer++
I think there are plenty of volunteers, so I'll gladly defer to others. (If
you do need more, you know where to find me.) I trust you guys to make it
sensible, not too formal, blah blah. As for signing personal names --
+1 - unfortunately, without a set policy, any infractions have to be treated
arbitrarily by... well, by whom?
Having a policy eases the burden of the organizers who don't have to be forced
into making one on the spot in reaction to an incident.
-Ross.
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:47 PM, "Michael J.
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Michael J. Giarlo wrote:
> Hi Kyle,
>
> IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an
> instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an
> offender.
That was the reasoning for the DCBPW code of conduct ... covering
for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Michael
J. Giarlo
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:47 PM
To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for code4lib?
Hi Kyle,
IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an
instrument to
+1 to Bess for raising the topic -- I'm onboard.
Jon's point is an important one. Code4Lib does not have a formal structure,
owner, or convening body. Any power in the Code4Lib community is directly
proportional to the collective will of the members of this community.
Therefore I think it i
Also, I've seen a number of reports over the last few years of women who were
harassed at predominately-male tech conferences. Taken together, they paint a
picture of men (particularly drunken men) creating an atmosphere that makes a
lot of people feel excluded and worry about being harassed or
Also, one of the advantages for most anti-harassment policies is that they
define the behavior in terms of the recipient feeling
uncomfortable/threatened. You'd be surprised how many of the recent ugly
con situations in the geek communities had people whose defense was: "But I
wasn't being an assho
On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop wrote:
>> To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not to mention how cool
>> our community is--I think it might be neat if we could find a way to make
>> whatever winds up being drafted somethi
YET AGAIN I am totally blown away by how amazing this community is. I am
utterly sincere when I say that you people give me hope for the world. Because
let me tell you, there are communities where that suggestion would not have
been welcomed enthusiastically. And instead, in true code4lib style,
Hi Kyle,
IMO, this is less an instrument to keep people playing nice and more an
instrument to point to in the event that we have to take action against an
offender.
-Mike
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Kyle Banerjee wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop wrote:
>
> > It's sa
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Jon Stroop wrote:
> It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets
> anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++,
> anarchivist++ for the quick assist.
>
This.
> To that end, and as a show of (positive) force--not t
On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:16 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
>> Why have an official anti-harassment policy for your conference? First, it
>> is necessary (unfortunately). Harassment at conferences is incredibly common
>> - for example, see this timeline
>> (http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tim
It's sad that we have to address this formally (as formal as c4l gets
anyway), but that's reality, so yes, bess++ indeed, and mjgiarlo++,
anarchivist++ for the quick assist.
The responses to the list in the past couple of hours alone suggest that
this is something much of the community would w
bess++
anarchivist++
mjgiarlo++
community++
I look forward to following and participating in this process, as long as the
fact that my iPhone just tried to autocorrect "bess" to "beds" doesn't torpedo
my credibility in this area.
Michael
On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:33 PM, "Michael J. Giarlo"
wro
All,
Building on what Bess and others have written, and on the GitHub repo that
anarchivist set up, I've contributed a rough draft of a Code4Lib code of
conduct:
https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy/blob/master/code_of_conduct.md
This strawperson code of conduct is based on DLF Foru
+1, of course :)
You might wish to consider some further derivatives/related pages:
http://www.diglib.org/about/code-of-conduct/
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Friendly_space_policy
https://thestrangeloop.com/about/policies
http://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/anti-harass
+1 for all of the below
Matthew C. Mariner
Head of Special Collections and Digital Initiatives
Assistant Professor
Auraria Library
1100 Lawrence StreetDenver, CO 80204-2041
matthew.mari...@ucdenver.edu
http://library.auraria.edu :: http://archives.auraria.edu
On 11/26/12 3:51 PM, "Tom Cramer"
Bess++
Not going to the conf this year, but very willing to pitch in on this
Carol
On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:46 PM, "Michael J. Giarlo"
wrote:
> bess++
>
> Let's do this.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Timothy A. Lepczyk
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for bringing this up, Bess.
>>
>> +1
>>
+1 for Bess's motion
+1 for Roy's expansion to C4L online interactions as well as face to face
+1 for Karen's focus on general inclusivity and fair play
> For me the hardest thing is how one monitors and resolves issues that arise.
> As a group with no formal management, I suppose the conference
bess++
Let's do this.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Timothy A. Lepczyk wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this up, Bess.
>
> +1
>
> *
> *
> *
>
> Timothy A. Lepczyk*
> Digital Humanities & Pedagogy Fellow
> Hendrix College
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Mark A. Matienzo
> wrote:
>
> > OK -
Bess,
I couldn't agree more. I'm a bit surprised that this has been a problem,
because I think of code4lib being a very open, friendly-type environment.
Apparently, I have not been paying attention! We need to ensure that code4lib
is always open and friendly. Perhaps a neon sign somewhere?
Thanks for bringing this up, Bess.
+1
*
*
*
Timothy A. Lepczyk*
Digital Humanities & Pedagogy Fellow
Hendrix College
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Mark A. Matienzo
wrote:
> OK - to start, I've created a Github repo to help with drafting a
> policy: https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassmen
OK - to start, I've created a Github repo to help with drafting a
policy: https://github.com/code4lib/antiharassment-policy
There's just a README there now with a bunch of resources. I'll try to
add more content there later this evening.
Mark
+1 - I totally agree on that.
> -Original Message-
> From: Code for Libraries [mailto:CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Roy Tennant
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:27 PM
> To: CODE4LIB@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [CODE4LIB] anti-harassment policy for cod
Bess and Code4libbers,
I've only been to one c4l conference and it was a very positive
experience for me, but I also feel that this is too valuable of a
community for us to risk it getting itself into crisis mode over some
unintended consequences or a "bad apple" incident. For that reason I
w
+1 and willing to volunteer as well.
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Frumkin, Jeremy <
frumk...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
> Wholehearted support.
>
> -- jaf
>
>
> Jeremy Frumkin
> Assistant Dean / Chief Technology Strategist
> Uni
Wholehearted support.
-- jaf
Jeremy Frumkin
Assistant Dean / Chief Technology Strategist
University of Arizona Libraries
+1 520.626.7296
frumk...@u.library.arizona.edu
"Any i
+1 and add my name to the list.
There's a seedling of a similar policy at
http://wiki.code4lib.org/index.php/How_to_hack_code4lib#Don.27t_be_sexist.2Fracist.2F.2Aist,
but I'd be more than happy to help grow it.
Thanks,
Becky
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Francis Kayiwa wrote:
> On Mon, Nov
I'd be happy to join this effort, and would like to suggest a friendly
amendment. We need, as a community, to have an anti-harassment policy that
governs ALL of our collective interactions (e.g., the chatroom, for
example), not just for the conference.
Roy
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Bess Sa
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 02:16:25PM -0800, Bess Sadler wrote:
>
> Thanks for considering this suggestion. If the answer is the usual code4lib
> answer (some variation on "Great idea! How are you going to make that
> happen?") then I hereby nominate myself as a member of the Anti-Harrassment
> Po
+1
Thanks for putting this forward Bess!
-nruest
On 12-11-26 05:19 PM, Mark A. Matienzo wrote:
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
If the answer is the usual code4lib answer (some variation on "Great idea! How are
you going to make that happen?") then I hereby nominate myself
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Bess Sadler wrote:
> If the answer is the usual code4lib answer (some variation on "Great idea!
> How are you going to make that happen?") then I hereby nominate myself as a
> member of the Anti-Harrassment Policy Adoption committee for the code4lib
> conference
Dear Fellow Code4libbers,
I hope I am not about to get flamed. Please take as context that I have been a
member of this community for almost a decade. I have contributed software,
support, and volunteer labor to this community's events. I have also attended
the majority of code4lib conferences,
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