On May 6, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Eric Lease Morgan emor...@nd.edu wrote:
The second is a cool gender visualization brought to my attention by a
colleague here in the Libraries -- Lauren Ajamie. (Again, Thank you.) It
illustrates the percentage of women to men in the publishing of scholarly
I think math is essential, but what they teach in schools these days isn't
math. It's arithmetic. Some intro philosophy courses teach math. I'll
stop before I start ranting.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:04 AM, Kelly Lucas klu...@isovera.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Thomas
What both Kelly and David say is true here:
David: programming needs math, not arithmetic.
Kelly: computers are good at arithmetic on their own.
To which I'll add: the related skill that I see as necessary here is
quantitative reasoning - not the crunching of numbers but the correct assembly
Probably it was the wrong course. I think coding should start with
building web pages. A calculator can't do that.
HTML is called markup language, but does anyone here really think it's a
programming language? Even though is gets more complicated over time, it
pretty much doesn't have variables
Of
Wilhelmina Randtke
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Probably it was the wrong course. I think coding should start with building
web pages. A calculator can't do that.
HTML is called markup
: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:47 AM
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Probably it was the wrong course. I think coding should start with
building web pages. A calculator can't do that.
HTML is called markup language, but does anyone here
OMG. I used to tell everyone that arithmetic is not math. Amazingly nobody
(who is not into math) cares. Just ask my wife.
Cary
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 5:43 AM, David Faler dfa...@tlcdelivers.com wrote:
I think math is essential, but what they teach in schools these days isn't
math. It's
I think that the programming / scripting / markup language discussion is
not helpful. Any time you key in something, run it on a computer, and
something else comes out (hopefully what is expected), to me, that
qualifies as programming.
Why not?
Cary
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Wilhelmina
I'm forced to agree that arithmetic isn't math. In fact, I'd go further and
say that arithmetic isn't even arithmetic. At best it's accounting.
(Accounting, on the other hand, is way more than accounting, so please
don't take offense if you're an accountant.)
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM,
Salve!
I'm forced to agree that arithmetic isn't math. In fact, I'd go
further and
say that arithmetic isn't even arithmetic. At best it's accounting.
(Accounting, on the other hand, is way more than accounting, so please
don't take offense if you're an accountant.)
I don't know. Saying math is essential to modern day programming/coding
is like saying it's essential to auto mechanics. I mean, I guess, but not
really. I regularly joke about my inability to add/subtract as that's
what computers are for. While reading code, initial programming
statements may
On 2/21/13 7:48 PM, Emily Morton-Owens wrote:
This was just the right thing to say, because he was connecting it to
something that I consider myself talented at (languages), rather than
something I don't (math).
I want to clear up the math is hard and programming is math myths.
First, the
While comprehensive specific math skill set might not be necessary in
programming, an understanding of mathematics beyond arithmetic can be
very useful. Relational database theory, for example, maps pretty
neatly to set theory.
Mathematics in general delivers a lot of insight into dealing with
On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:
Is a solid math background necessary to program? Of course not. Sooner
or later though, programmers need a solid understanding of logic.
I concur. The reason mathematics is so closely tied to computer programming is
because
On 2/22/13 8:39 AM, Cary Gordon wrote:
While comprehensive specific math skill set might not be necessary in
programming, an understanding of mathematics beyond arithmetic can be
very useful. Relational database theory, for example, maps pretty
neatly to set theory.
In fact, Cary, you can do
ERic, see what I wrote to Cary. Again, math is not the only route to
beautiful solutions. It is not the only rigorous thinking. These
hegemonic arguments are beneath our intelligence. - kc
On 2/22/13 8:53 AM, Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Cary Gordon
Sadly Karen, I can't take credit for recommending the publication you
mentioned, but I would like to thank whoever did. It looks really great.
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Karen Coyle li...@kcoyle.net wrote:
On 2/21/13 7:48 PM, Emily Morton-Owens wrote:
This was just the right thing
I do not find drawing a line between philosophy and mathematics to be
useful, as they have pretty vast overlap. Plato and Aristotle talked
about math, whether they called it math or not. Whether set theory has
its roots in math or philosophy is irrelevant.
I don't believe that I said that
I can't tell whether you're agreeing with me, or disagreeing with me, or
just riffing off of what I said, but I hope you didn't take what I said to
imply that women think math is hard, or are bad at math, or that I
presently think I'm terrible at math! Actually, through learning
programming, I got
Emily, no, I didn't mean to imply that you thought math was hard,
although that is a myth (remember Barbie Math is hard?) about women.
So I wanted to make the point that math isn't any harder for women than
men, other than the social prescriptions that lead to Barbie-isms.
What does rather
The math you get in an introductory programming class is 4th grade math:
add, subtract, divide, multiply, mod. It isn't the stuff that matters for
big structural problems. And it's not practical. For a few numbers, I can
do it faster with a calculator. For many numbers, I can do it quickly
On 2/22/2013 1:09 PM, Wilhelmina Randtke wrote:
It's a little worrying that there aren't introductory programming platforms
that let someone do something interesting at a simple level
Wilhelmina,
Would you consider something like ROSALIND to be what you are
describing? It focuses a little
Or something like LiveCode/HyperCard? (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperCard;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiveCode) Because there's currently a
Kickstarter campaign (
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode)
to create an open-source edition of LiveCode for
Hi Folks,
This is a great discussion and it continues to be helpful to me on many
different levels.
It started late enough after code4lib that I plunged ahead with my class.
FWIW, Impostor Syndrome (thanks Jason Griffey) was an eye opener, and a
chance for me to offer my own sense of some
Hello,
Those not well versed in Geometry shall not enter
-Plato-
Thanks,
Cornel Darden Jr.
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Kennedy-King College
City Colleges of Chicago
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On Feb 22, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Cary Gordon listu...@chillco.com wrote:
I do not find drawing a line
Wilhelmina Randtke writes
Pretty much the whole entire entry level programming class for the average
class covers using code to do things that you can do much more easily
without code.
Probably it was the wrong course. I think coding should start with
building web pages. A calculator
Tim,
This too has been sitting in my inbox, and I've been trying to find time to
respond. I have to say that I love your questions. Now that Karen has
piped up, I'll follow suit. I've addressed each of your questions below to
the best of my ability.
*For those of you who came into this
Like Rosy, I've been sitting on this wondering what to say, and am now
following Karen, even though I wish I had more in the way of
anthropological or statistical insight...
Anyway. I recommend reading Unlocking the Clubhouse, which sheds a lot of
light on the sometimes-subtle factors that
Tim,
I'll jump in with, from a curriculum standpoint, making sure there are a
variety of class levels offered. When I went through my graduate
program there was assistance for people who'd never used email, attached
documents, created Powerpoints--basic level stuff that was taught by
myself
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Shearer, Timothy J
tshea...@email.unc.eduwrote:
Hi Folks,
I'm teaching systems analysis at SILS (UNC CH) this semester.
Though the course is required for the IS degree, it's not required for the
LS degree.
However, the majority of my students this semester
I didn't spot this when Tim first posted it, but this question jumped out
at me now: A person who said or modeled the right thing? Around the time
I was applying to library school, a friend told me Since you love foreign
languages and are interested in computers, you might enjoy programming.
This
Hi Folks,
I'm teaching systems analysis at SILS (UNC CH) this semester.
Though the course is required for the IS degree, it's not required for the
LS degree.
However, the majority of my students this semester are LS. And the vast
majority are women.
Apropos of the part of the thread that
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