Re: [logging] commons logging stubs [was Re: [jci] c#]

2005-11-10 Thread Simon Kitching
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 12:48 +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote: I also talked about removing the commons-logging dependency (which seemed to be in agreeance at the time), as at least in our environment we don't use it. The more I think about this the more I get the opinion we should also

Re: [logging] commons logging stubs [was Re: [jci] c#]

2005-11-10 Thread Simon Kitching
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 21:14 +, robert burrell donkin wrote: i agree with ceki that the future is static (rather than dynamic) binding. i prefer bytecode engineering to different compilation. And I agree with both of you - provided one of the static implementations provides much of the

Re: [logging] commons logging stubs [was Re: [jci] c#]

2005-11-10 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 21:04 +1300, Simon Kitching wrote: snip Can a new release of CL rule out all the classloading problems people had before? What's currently in SVN head will probably fix 90% of the problems, and is about 99% backwards compatible. I would love to see it released, so

[logging] commons logging stubs [was Re: [jci] c#]

2005-11-09 Thread Torsten Curdt
I also talked about removing the commons-logging dependency (which seemed to be in agreeance at the time), as at least in our environment we don't use it. The more I think about this the more I get the opinion we should also provide a commons-logging-stub.jar to satisfy commons-logging

Re: [logging] commons logging stubs [was Re: [jci] c#]

2005-11-09 Thread Mark Proctor
We've been discussing the logging issue over in the Drools world. We have decided not to fight against this, at some point or other as we grow our capabilities and depend more on third party libraries we are going to find a tool that insists on commons logging - so might as well be now.

Re: [logging] commons logging stubs [was Re: [jci] c#]

2005-11-09 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 12:48 +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote: I also talked about removing the commons-logging dependency (which seemed to be in agreeance at the time), as at least in our environment we don't use it. The more I think about this the more I get the opinion we should also

Re: [logging] commons logging stubs [was Re: [jci] c#]

2005-11-09 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 15:51 +, Mark Proctor wrote: We've been discussing the logging issue over in the Drools world. We have decided not to fight against this, at some point or other as we grow our capabilities and depend more on third party libraries we are going to find a tool that