[Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread David Gerard
There are severe public relations problems between WM-IL and some Commons admins at present over the Pikiwiki project. They're getting attention at the Foundation level. Anyone here have anything to say on the problems? (They appear to relate to how much of a service project for other Wikimedia

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread David Gerard
2009/6/4 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: Well the most basic thing is that the logo of the project has been marked for deletion. This is the same old argument as happened over Wikimedia Foundation logos. Sounds like people who don't want Commons to be a service project and are

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread Maarten Dammers
David Gerard schreef: Anyone here have anything to say on the problems? You might want to read http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Pikiwikisrael It pretty much sums up all problems (and possible solutions!). Maarten

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread David Gerard
2009/6/4 Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl: David Gerard schreef: Anyone here have anything to say on the problems? You might want to read http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Pikiwikisrael It pretty much sums up all problems (and possible solutions!).

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread Eusebius
David Gerard a écrit : 2009/6/4 Maarten Dammers maar...@mdammers.nl: You might want to read http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Pikiwikisrael It pretty much sums up all problems (and possible solutions!). From that thread, I think I can conclusively

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread geni
2009/6/4 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: From that thread, I think I can conclusively say: if Commons has been obstructively bureaucratic to the point that an entire chapter (WM-IL) will no longer work with it ... then Commons has *failed utterly* as a service project, and will need reining in

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread Gnangarra
Folks before this disolves into a pointy session we know the whole process derailed a long time ago the block Dror was to protect the person and project there's no reason to disect it on this list. Whats needed is solutions to resolve the problems with image uploads and heal the wounds Is the

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I would argue that any of the WMF chapters and its projects should be seen as our own. When this is not accepted it means that Commons is indeed an island with the drawbridge closed. Truly reconsider because this hurts us as an organisation. We are not divided by chapters we are organised

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Huib, at first I want to make clear that I write this mail as a normal community member and not as a board member, and that I am expressing my personal opinion and in no way stance of the foundation or the board. Just to avoid any possible confusion about this point. I read the threads

Re: [Commons-l] Pikiwiki project problems

2009-06-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Key in my mind is that this is a project of the Israeli chapter. These other organisations are cooperating by growing OUR content. The fact that there are other organisations involved is not that important to me. The fact that they collaborate and realise our commons goal is. Given that my

Re: [Commons-l] Commons licensing for chapter-owned copyrights

2009-06-04 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: I've started a discussion at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Licensing#Wikimedia_Chapter_Copyrights regarding the policy of Commons on images where the copyright is owned by a recognised chapter.

Re: [Commons-l] Commons licensing for chapter-owned copyrights

2009-06-04 Thread Eugene Zelenko
Hi! I agree that Meta is good place for WMF-owned logos. At least many purist talks on Commons will be finaly resolved. Eugene. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Andrew Turvey andrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: I've

Re: [Commons-l] Commons licensing for chapter-owned copyrights

2009-06-04 Thread Mike.lifeguard
Some time ago, I suggested using Meta for this purpose. That would be the best solution; the second-best being to use Commons and expanding the scope to chapter logos and the like (as I suggested already: