Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-20 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Would it be an option to use the GNASH server implementation at the WMF end. As long as a particular Flash file works, it can be served with a completely free software stack. It is then for the end-user to choose to use either the Gnash or the Flash client software.. There are advantages to

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-17 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 9/16/10 2:57 PM, Robin Schwab wrote: That is what I found a bit sad in this discussion: It's based on fear and loathing instead of user-centered delivery of the best service. I'm not sure I understand this complaint. Are you suggesting that we should just accept the pain (as developers) in

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Dale
On 09/17/2010 12:24 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: Discussions about using closed source tools are not taboo. Not at all, I think we should continue to review decisions about tools. I myself have raised questions about (for instance) our decision to never use Flash, even if we use a 100% free

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-17 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
I agree with you completely, that Flash is useful as a transitional technology. But I got a very firm no from Danese who is interpreting what the Board has said in the past. There was a thread on Wikitech-L about this (you were probably distracted at the time due to family stuff).

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Dale
If that is in fact the present board stance it should A) It should be stated somewhere and B) be lobbied to be changed. The only statements I have seen from the board had to do with free formats. What do free formats have to do with targeting propitiatory applet interpreters? If Danese is

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Dale
Hi Kat Walsh. Would it be possible for the board to state something to the effect that using open source code to target proprietary software subcomponents of propitiatory users software platform in order to provide feature parity with free software experiences is oky? We of course already do

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Dale
typo: should be proprietary not propitiatory ___ Commons-l mailing list Commons-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread Robin Schwab
On 15.09.2010 22:49, Daniel Schwen wrote: krpano is not an option, it is non-free. A alternative would be panosalado2, but last time I checked it had numerous problems, such as Why being so dogmatic? I agree that free software is a must for core components of our project for strategic

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 September 2010 11:19, Robin Schwab cont...@robinschwab.ch wrote: Why being so dogmatic? I agree that free software is a must for core components of our project for strategic reasons. However for secondary components such as an image viewer I see no such strategic reasons. Because

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread Robin Schwab
On 16.09.2010 13:46, David Gerard wrote: On 16 September 2010 11:19, Robin Schwabcont...@robinschwab.ch wrote: Why being so dogmatic? I agree that free software is a must for core components of our project for strategic reasons. However for secondary components such as an image viewer I see

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread Michael Snow
Robin Schwab wrote: On 16.09.2010 13:46, David Gerard wrote: On 16 September 2010 11:19, Robin Schwabcont...@robinschwab.ch wrote: Why being so dogmatic? I agree that free software is a must for core components of our project for strategic reasons. However for secondary components

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 9/16/10 9:49 AM, Robin Schwab wrote: Those are very weak arguments: social impact... cultural connections... Maybe. But an all-free-software policy can be defended, even on the grounds of pure expediency. I'm a developer and I've worked in situations that were a mix of proprietary and

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread Neil Kandalgaonkar
On 9/16/10 11:02 AM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote: Also, if we know that all of our software and data can be replicated without limit Oh and I forgot a very large benefit: this greatly reduces our exposure to any lawsuits based on software or patents. Anyway, I know you are really just advocating

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 September 2010 19:02, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 9/16/10 9:49 AM, Robin Schwab wrote: Those are very weak arguments: social impact... cultural connections... Maybe. But an all-free-software policy can be defended, even on the grounds of pure expediency. I'm a

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 September 2010 22:57, Robin Schwab cont...@robinschwab.ch wrote: That is what I found a bit sad in this discussion: It's based on fear and loathing instead of user-centered delivery of the best service. In this case we told the people sorry, that's impossible because any proprietary

Re: [Commons-l] Suggestion: Improve Panoramic viewer

2010-09-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 September 2010 23:55, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: The fear and loathing comes from experience. Lots of effort is 'wasted' on implementing proprietary solutions. They may give short term advantages in user-experience, however that user-experience is then tied to the release