RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-09 Thread Daniel Rall
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > I'm going to be curious to see how Subwiki works out -- if the intent is to > switch --- being in Python, not Perl, but still not in Java. Are there more > Python coders than Perl here? Hell Yeah.

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-09 Thread B. W. Fitzpatrick
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm going to be curious to see how Subwiki works out -- if the intent is to > switch --- being in Python, not Perl, but still not in Java. Are there more > Python coders than Perl here? Yup. Python people *and* Subversion people. :) -Fitz

RE: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> Yup. Python people *and* Subversion people. :) Well *that* much I knew. :-) The association between Collab.Net and the ASF isn't obscured. I keep wondering if some of the tigris.org projects will migrate to the ASF. There appears to be a lot in common, including people. ASF uses (or will use

unsubscribed...

2003-01-09 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi All, So the news of my unsubscription reached here before I had a chance to say it. wiki development should take place on a public mail list where everyone can participate. I suggest wikidiffs with [PATCH] in the subject. I personally think more effort should go into using the wiki than d

Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Jeff Turner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 12:50:55PM -0800, Greg Stein wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 02:17:38PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > http://www.freeroller.net/page/acoliver/20030108#when_is_community_not_a > >... > > - he was criticized for a message that he made > > in jest, but which wasn't

RE: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jeff, Unless I missed a discussion elsewhere (I'm only on community@ and infrastructure@, as well as project lists), Andy appeared to be complaining about (a) people asking for changes to the Wiki without contributing patches, and (b) the current lack of consensus on how to integrate push-model in

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread cmanolache
Sometimes it's better to _think_ before talking or doing :-) And it's nothing wrong to think after talking and doing - and make changes and adjustments. I don't think open source or "meritocracy" is about doing, it's more about feedback and review and improvements. Costin On Thu, 9 Jan 2003,

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Jeff Turner
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 10:26:41PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sometimes it's better to _think_ before talking or doing :-) > > And it's nothing wrong to think after talking and doing - > and make changes and adjustments. Agreed. > I don't think open source or "meritocracy" is about doing,

Re: unsubscribed...

2003-01-09 Thread David Crossley
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > Hi All, > > So the news of my unsubscription reached here before I had a chance to > say it. > > wiki development should take place on a public mail list where everyone > can participate. I suggest wikidiffs with [PATCH] in the subject. I > personally think more effo

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 05:51:55PM +1100, Jeff Turner wrote: > On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 10:26:41PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sometimes it's better to _think_ before talking or doing :-) > > > > And it's nothing wrong to think after talking and doing - > > and make changes and adjustments.

tigris.org and the ASF (was: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:15:35PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Yup. Python people *and* Subversion people. :) > > Well *that* much I knew. :-) The association between Collab.Net and the > ASF isn't obscured. Actually, I'm the only person(*) that crosses those four axises (sp?!): ASF, Coll

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread James Taylor
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 23:58, Jeff Turner wrote: > it is better to have ANY Wiki (here, UseModWiki) than try to establish a > nonexistent consensus on which Wiki everyone agrees is best. That can be > sorted out later, if people want it sorted out badly enough. I agree in general, but the Wiki is

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
James Taylor wrote: How viable is it to machine migrate the content? The UseModWiki content isn't in bare text files, so a little bit of work will be needed. Brilliant! what's yer beef? at least something got *done*! /me runs away -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Co

Re: email notification done...sorta

2003-01-09 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
David N. Welton wrote: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm going to be curious to see how Subwiki works out -- if the intent is to switch --- being in Python, not Perl, but still not in Java. Are there more Python coders than Perl here? Anyone can code in Python. It's easy, and it

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Sam Ruby
James Taylor wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 23:58, Jeff Turner wrote: it is better to have ANY Wiki (here, UseModWiki) than try to establish a nonexistent consensus on which Wiki everyone agrees is best. That can be sorted out later, if people want it sorted out badly enough. I agree in general, but

RE: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> > Because wiki's tend to fill with content rapdily, once you > > use them for a little while you are pretty much locked in. > Counterpoint? Personally, I'm getting mileage out of UseModWiki, despite its issues. I wouldn't want to have to move every page in the Wiki, but I could cut & paste the

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Sam Ruby wrote: It certainly is easier to migrate content that exists, even if it is in the wrong format, than content that does not exist. +1! as usual, sam demonstrates his uncanny knack to cut through the persiflage to one of the real issues. -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini h

Re: Do vs. Talk (Re: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Morgan Delagrange
--- Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam Ruby wrote: > > > > It certainly is easier to migrate content that > exists, even if it is in > > the wrong format, than content that does not > exist. > > +1! > > as usual, sam demonstrates his uncanny knack to cut > through the > pe

migrating UseModWiki data (was: Do vs. Talk)

2003-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 07:50:35AM -0500, James Taylor wrote: >... > On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 16:06, Greg Stein wrote: > > > How viable is it to machine migrate the content? > > > > The UseModWiki content isn't in bare text files, so a little bit of > > work will be needed. > > Brilliant! It doesn

wiki data migration (was: Do vs. Talk)

2003-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 01:22:02PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > Because wiki's tend to fill with content rapdily, once you > > > use them for a little while you are pretty much locked in. > > > Counterpoint? > > Personally, I'm getting mileage out of UseModWiki, despite its issues. I > wo

python foo (was: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Greg Stein
On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 08:42:58AM -0800, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > David N. Welton wrote: >... > > Anyone can code in Python. It's easy, and it runs anywhere. Not > > quite an offer of help, but... if you have figured out one programming > > language, picking up Python will not be hard, nor unp

RE: wiki data migration (was: Do vs. Talk)

2003-01-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Greg Stein wrote (technical details omitted): > *if* we migrate to SubWiki or some other Wiki, then we can get the > data out of UseModWiki. Sounds like your approach follows the truism that in the worst case any open source code that can read its own data can be instrumented to become its own mig

Re: python foo (was: email notification done...sorta)

2003-01-09 Thread Rich Bowen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Greg Stein wrote: > >>> array = [ [1, 2, 3], > ... [4, 5, 6], > ... [7, 8, 9] ] > >>> print array[1][2] > 6 > >>> sparse = { (1,2): 6, (2,1): 8 } > >>> sparse[1,2] > 6 > >>> > > (and don't ask me about the time

RE: wiki data migration (was: Do vs. Talk)

2003-01-09 Thread Daniel Rall
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Greg Stein wrote (technical details omitted): > > *if* we migrate to SubWiki or some other Wiki, then we can get the > > data out of UseModWiki. > > Sounds like your approach follows the truism that in the worst case any open > source code that can rea

RE: wiki data migration (was: Do vs. Talk)

2003-01-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> If SubWiki is used any time soon, dumping the history seems reasonable. > Finally, my chance to rewrite history ;) ROFLMAO!!! :-D --- Noel

RE: wiki data migration (was: Do vs. Talk)

2003-01-09 Thread Martin van den Bemt
> > ROFLMAO!!! :-D > I cannot make anything of this.. Please help me :) Nice for a wiki page or something :) Mvgr, Martin

Re: wiki data migration (was: Do vs. Talk)

2003-01-09 Thread Steven Noels
Martin van den Bemt wrote: ROFLMAO!!! :-D I cannot make anything of this.. Please help me :) Rolling On the Floor Laughing My *** Off. -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at

RE: wiki data migration (was: Do vs. Talk)

2003-01-09 Thread Daniel Rall
On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Martin van den Bemt wrote: > > > > > ROFLMAO!!! :-D > > > > I cannot make anything of this.. Please help me :) > Nice for a wiki page or something :) AcronymFinder is our friend: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?String=exact&Acronym=ROFLMAO&Find=Find