Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Yeah I wasn't saying that there was lazy consensus. I said, if you have 2 +1 VOTES, and you need a 3rd, then you don't have to call the VOTE closed at that point just b/c 72 hours passed. That you can just say that the VOTE is open *for at least* 72 hours, and then just leave it open if you don't

Re: Gora community size (was Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org)

2012-04-23 Thread Ross Gardler
Excellent, so it looks to me like either addressing Ferdy's concerns or getting a +1 from another PMC member is all you need. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Apr 23, 2012 8:38 PM, "Lewis John Mcgibbney" wrote: > Hi Ross, > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Ross

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Greg Stein
Huh? A release is not lazy consensus. You need three +1 votes. On Apr 23, 2012 11:52 AM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Hey Lewis, > > FYI my reply to you in context on the Gora list: > > http://s.apache.org/49d > > In general, I just let the VOTE stay open fo

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Greg Stein
The short answer is that you need to grow the number of active PMC members (not sure why users is on a vote; they don't at all). You need three +1 votes to ensure that the release has been fully-reviewed. One or two PMC Members cannot make a release in the name of the ASF. It takes a minimum of thr

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Apr 23, 2012 2:21 PM, "Marvin Humphrey" wrote: >... > > In theory, the fuzzy end-time could be abused on a contentious VOTE by say, > coordinating a block of votes and having the RM terminate the VOTE immediately > after those votes come in. So perhaps VOTEs which are expected to be > contenti

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Greg Stein
On Apr 23, 2012 3:20 PM, "Greg Stein" wrote: > > > On Apr 23, 2012 2:21 PM, "Marvin Humphrey" wrote: > >... > > > > > In theory, the fuzzy end-time could be abused on a contentious VOTE by say, > > coordinating a block of votes and having the RM terminate the VOTE immediately > > after those vote

Re: Gora community size (was Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org)

2012-04-23 Thread Lewis John Mcgibbney
Hi Ross, On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > Ferdy is not listed on the graduation resolution [1] so unless he's > recently been voted in he is a community member, and a valuable one at > that since he clearly evaluated the release candidate. His concerns > should be properly

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > In general, I just let the VOTE stay open for *at least* 72 hours. That way > folks that are busy/lazy/whatever have a chance to still chime in. The truth > is, > as the one that called the VOTE, you are the one pushing for a part

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Oops thread correction that original one was held up in mod and never delivered because I wasn't subscribed on user@. Here's the one from dev@. http://s.apache.org/mLZ Cheers, Chris On Apr 23, 2012, at 8:51 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hey Lewis, > > FYI my reply to you in context on

Re: Gora community size (was Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org)

2012-04-23 Thread Lewis John Mcgibbney
Hi Ross, Thanks also for your comments. It's given me something to work to. Best Lewis On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > > You are correct. All releases must carry three +1 votes. It's one of > the few fixed points in the Apache Way. > > I note from the Gora archives that

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Lewis John Mcgibbney
Hi Chris, Thanks for your comments. Best Lewis On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Hey Lewis, > > FYI my reply to you in context on the Gora list: > > http://s.apache.org/49d > > In general, I just let the VOTE stay open for *at l

Gora community size (was Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org)

2012-04-23 Thread Ross Gardler
On 23 April 2012 16:39, Lewis John Mcgibbney wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > We recently held a VOTE [0] over on user@ and d...@gora.apache.org and only > two official VOTE's were actually passed. For the record both were weighted > in favour of a +1. > > Based on the nature of the VOTE and its conforma

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Lewis, FYI my reply to you in context on the Gora list: http://s.apache.org/49d In general, I just let the VOTE stay open for *at least* 72 hours. That way folks that are busy/lazy/whatever have a chance to still chime in. The truth is, as the one that called the VOTE, you are the one pushin

Re: WELCOME to community@apache.org

2012-04-23 Thread Lewis John Mcgibbney
Hi Everyone, We recently held a VOTE [0] over on user@ and d...@gora.apache.org and only two official VOTE's were actually passed. For the record both were weighted in favour of a +1. Based on the nature of the VOTE and its conformance to the 'minimum quorum of three +1 votes' rule I am pretty mu