Man, it's quiet here

2002-10-25 Thread Chuck Murcko
Maybe I hadn't failed to subscribe after all. I suppose there'd be a better draw if we had named it revolution@, or cagematch@, or something. But that's just me being a tweaker. 8^) I sure do hope it perks up around here, though. It would be a Bad Sign if it didn't. Chuck

Re: Man, it's quiet here

2002-10-26 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 02:25 AM, Peter Donald wrote: On Sat, 26 Oct 2002 19:03, David Reid wrote: I do find it fascinating to note the active participants in this discussion now. They've changed dramatically from the start of this discussion and now seem to be heavily "Jakarta" orient

Re: Man, it's quiet here

2002-10-26 Thread Chuck Murcko
built the first machine I had at home in 1976, though I started coding in 1969. I've had careers as a bass player, RF/microwave/video hardware engineer, and now, software guy. More (mostly accurate) about recent stuff can be gleaned by simply Googling for "Chuck Murcko". Use the

Re: [VOTE] Open this list

2002-10-28 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Saturday, October 26, 2002, at 06:38 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: View 1: Open the list completely, anyone can subscribe, post and read the archive -1. +1 if everyone currently squabbling on other ASF lists (and not about dev issues) agrees to come here to do it. View 2: Keep the list open on

FW: Halloween Costume (fwd)

2002-10-28 Thread Chuck Murcko
Some humor from a friend, which struck me as strangely appropriate. Standard humor disclaimer applies. YMMV. Apologies in advance if you are offended, bald, or have a wooden leg. Chuck Begin forwarded message: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 15:03:37 -0400 Subject:

Re: [OT] ApacheCon 2002 lodging

2002-10-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
Yes, I believe I have one too (room that is w/2 beds). I will also have wheels - possibly even attached to a motor vehicle. Chuck On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 05:43 PM, David N. Welton wrote: I would be interested in splitting a room there, with yourself or anyone else who wants to cut costs.

Re: ASF Membership Nomination

2002-10-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 06:27 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: David Crossley wrote: Greg Stein wrote: >Sorry, but nominations for membership, commit status, or PMC membership >really should be private. I absolutely will not participate in such an >environment, and will encourage others to av

Re: ASF Membership Nomination

2002-10-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Tuesday, October 29, 2002, at 10:29 PM, Ted Husted wrote: 10/29/2002 11:23:22 PM, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In terms of community fractures, I think the proposal to promote Jakarta projects out of Jakarta [something I'm not against] is the one that is a danger to the community. I

Re: ASF Membership Nomination

2002-10-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 07:18 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I think most of the edginess is simply fear of the unknown. Many of the ASF Members, like Greg, have not had the opportunity to interact with the ASF Committers working at Jakarta. Likewise, nearly all of us working at Jakarta ha

Re: ASF Membership Nomination

2002-10-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 08:38 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: how many know they are supposed to? Googling is the solution? humm. Perhaps the most famous and capable web development organization should come up with a better method of organizing its web content than "go search on google

Re: [VOTE] Openness

2002-10-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 10:19 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read this mail list thru a web archive? [X ] +1 yes, let's make it readable [ ] 0 don't know/don't care [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private

Re: ASF Membership Nomination

2002-10-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 06:37 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: While I would like to continue with open processes that are kept private only when specific events require it. Why? mostly because of the perception given to the people. Perception is important, expecially in building a communit

Re: ASF Membership Nomination

2002-10-31 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 12:24 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: If they do not know what questions to ask, how are they to find the answers? I have read what documentation was apparent to me and I feel I have a reasonable understanding of how things work.but what if I don't? How do

Re: ASF Membership Nomination

2002-10-31 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 05:01 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'm looking for the text version of this: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/agreement.html which is supposedly in text form SOMEWHERE in CVS in some module... Oh, that cottonpicker. Sent via separate mail. For some reason it's in f

Subtle barriers to entry

2002-11-04 Thread Chuck Murcko
I've noticed in looking around the Apache sites that there's a lot of inconsistency in providing links (usually in the sidebars) where people can get on the mailing lists. Some projects, like Foundation, HTTP Server, Cocoon and Forrest, provide wide gateways for participation. Big, friendly, co

Re: Invitation to ApacheCon 2002 US (60% less expensive!)

2002-11-05 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 02:06 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: foo, i think i typed 'committers@' when i meant to type 'community@'. sorry! you're not the first. 8^) Chuck

Re: Rules for Revolutionaries

2002-11-10 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Saturday, November 9, 2002, at 03:44 AM, Jeff Turner wrote: On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 09:29:56AM +0100, Ceki Gülcü wrote: I keep wondering why you keep bringing up Duncan's Whoa Bessie... mail. I mean this one: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ant-dev&m=97712718421034&w=2 Is it just for historical

Re: @apache web pages

2002-11-12 Thread Chuck Murcko
cvs also has a CNAME: icarus. Chuck On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 06:19 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'd also like to get a central forrest generator set up. I had thought daedalus was the proper place to do that, but perhaps cvs.apache.org is. I think

Re: @apache web pages

2002-11-12 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Monday, November 11, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Scott Sanders wrote: Yeah, but not quite the catchy homepagey name I was groping for though Chuck :) It also sticks the sites to the machine, which would be bad. You mean like users.apache.org or committers.apache

Re: Story behind dev@httpd.apache.org and new-httpd@yahoogroups.com

2002-11-15 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 09:07 AM, Ignacio J. Ortega wrote: Hola a todos: I'm curious bout why the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list has such a poor activity, i know the quick response is "it's simply not used" but why?, and there is a list outside asf new-httpd that is so active, and seems for me tha

Re: HotJava proposal on the Wiki

2002-12-22 Thread Chuck Murcko
Well, we have contacts at Sun through JCP and other channels. If there are no objections, I'll explore this with them. Unless, of course, someone already has. Sun wanting to do this would seem to be required before anything else can really happen. 8^) Chuck On Saturday, December 21, 2002, at 06:

Re: sponsoring of asf: fud or truth?

2003-01-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Tuesday, Jan 28, 2003, at 16:14 America/Phoenix, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 01:06 PM, Greg Stein wrote: On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:55:33AM -0500, Ben Hyde wrote: ... are accounting records available? I thought there were, I know we discussed having them be public

Re: Jinx shipping domestic only was Cafepress...

2003-01-30 Thread Chuck Murcko
On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 02:00 America/Phoenix, Steven Noels wrote: If there's a genuine interest in European Apache apparel, this sounds like the start of a plan. Who has been handling the Jinx contacts so far at ASF? I have. Is there a genuine interest? Jinx is a small staff, part-time o

Re: Jinx shipping domestic only was Cafepress...

2003-03-15 Thread Chuck Murcko
rsday, Jan 30, 2003, at 02:58 America/Phoenix, Steven Noels wrote: Chuck Murcko wrote: On Thursday, Jan 30, 2003, at 02:00 America/Phoenix, Steven Noels wrote: If there's a genuine interest in European Apache apparel, this sounds like the start of a plan. Who has been handling the Jinx contacts