Re: Better screen drawing kernel patch

2006-11-27 Thread jollen
Hi, On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 12:11:30 +0100, Stefan Schmidt wrote > Hello. > > On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 19:00, jollen wrote: > > > > I put on a patch for s3c2410 SOC which make the mobile panel going better. > > You plan to port this to 2.6? The Neo1973 is using a 2.6 kernel not > 2.4. Yes, I'd like t

Re: A bit more video information

2006-11-27 Thread Richard Franks
On 11/27/06, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I asked one of our hardware engineers to provide a bit more information about the video prospects. Here is what he said: "Certainly it can show some fps video. However, the LCD refresh bus bandwidth will be determined by LCD display size, b

Re: More about AGPS and costs

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Sean! On Tue, 28 Nov 2006, Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > Global Locate told me that they think the GPS costs are as follows: > > * MS-A - data time (operator) + Server charges (not clear who runs the > server.) > > * MS-B - data time (operator) + Server charges (not clear who runs the > server

Re: Screenprotectors

2006-11-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 11/26/06 11:02 PM, "Koen Kooi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone from FIC contacted Brando (or any other company) about > manufacturing decent > screenprotectors for the gta01? We've working on that already. Taiwan is the motherland for this kind of stuff ;-) _

Re: From A Carrier

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Hello Ylanan! Hey somebody from a mobil operator active on this list, this is great! Welcome! You must know that this is the community list and I'm like most of the others not employed at FIC and I do not have internal informations, I'm just a student at Aachen university (Germany) and very inter

Re: Phone UI ideas

2006-11-27 Thread Richard Franks
If this phone could somehow give tactile information to the user, it becomes more usable for the people will poorer eyesight or even blind people. Or in 'accessibility' mode devote a screen-corner or button for 'confirmation' - unless that area is depressed, any selected action will just 'speak'

More about AGPS and costs

2006-11-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
Guys, One more clarification: someone earlier mentioned some AGPS costs due to the computations. Global Locate told me that they think the GPS costs are as follows: * MS-A - data time (operator) + Server charges (not clear who runs the server.) * MS-B - data time (operator) + Server charges (n

A bit more video information

2006-11-27 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
I asked one of our hardware engineers to provide a bit more information about the video prospects. Here is what he said: "Certainly it can show some fps video. However, the LCD refresh bus bandwidth will be determined by LCD display size, bit per pixel, memory bus width, memory type ... and so on.

Bootloader u-boot

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve! According to Harld Welte, " Oh, and yes, the bootloader is u-boot (as the frequent reader of this blog might have guessed). So that is GPL licensed, too." http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2006/11/08/ the bootloader of the Neo1973 will be u-boot. From http://u-boot.sf.net is just one do

Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Steve Salazar
Thanks for the quick reply. See my answers in line below (disclaimer: I didn't really delve deeply into these questions so my notion of what I/O is available is foggy and probably contains serious misunderstandings which possibly will render my replies somewhat incoherent) Salve Steve! > 1

Re: Airplane Mode

2006-11-27 Thread Billy Harvey
How can a passive *receiver* interfere with the on board electronics? I can't think of one, and I'm a EE major :) regards, Koen From leakage of the local oscillator injection. Even a capacitor leaks electrical energy. My cheap non-OEM laptop memory leaks energy at an audio frequency even.

usb device emulation

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve! Some ideas about the posibility that the Neo emulate an usb device - this is powerfull and I thing this count more than only speed (USB 2.0). I remember that the PalmPilot could be used as seriell mouse... 1. Where are good documentations how to write usb device emulation driver? 2. Whi

My cents

2006-11-27 Thread Alexander Steinert
Hej all! I had the uncertain feeling that I was not alone all these years. Seeing all these talented people struggling over and over again to gather undocumented specs of chips in Windows-PDAs and smartphones. Seeing vapoware like the ImcoSys. Waiting desperatly. Trying Symbian. Etc. The prospect

OpenMoko at SCALE

2006-11-27 Thread Joe Bushong
Any chance of the OpenMoko team participating in the Southern California Linux Expo (SCALE) http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/ It is February 10-11 in Los Angeles and would be a great opportunity to show off some open-source hardware to like minded Linux geeks. I am planning on being there as part o

Re: Airplane Mode

2006-11-27 Thread Richard Franks
On 11/27/06, Robert Michel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or for those of us who are talking for hours... a voice message for the owner or both could annouce "dead spots 5 minutes ahead - good connection starts in 30 minutes" I really really like this idea. Psuedo Implementation: 1) Neo takes a f

RE: Airplane Mode

2006-11-27 Thread David Schlesinger
And therein (and in the discussion with J.R. Flight-Attendant, as well) lies a tale of competing interests and priorities... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Jeff Andros Sent: Mon 11/27/2006 3:57 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Airplane Mode >>Ca

Re: Airplane Mode

2006-11-27 Thread Jeff Andros
Carrier requirements generally state that "flight mode" should disable _all_ radios, period, by the way. Isn't that why the platform's open? (he he he) --Jeff ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/c

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Corey! On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Corey wrote: > On Monday 27 November 2006 16:14, Robert Michel wrote: > > > - no bottle opener > > > > What!? A joke. > unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh, I overseen a line... Why should I unsubscribe? Because I forgot to say the opener should be dual use - b

Re: no bottle opener Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Marcel de Jong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Michel wrote: > It's a pitty the Neo1973 will not have a case a frame > made by strong, but light magnesium alloy, with integrated, > fold-out bottle opener to open the beer. > Since years I'm waiting for a mobile with that... > Which real m

no bottle opener Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Corey! On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Corey wrote: > On Monday 27 November 2006 16:14, Robert Michel wrote: > > > - no bottle opener > > > > What!? It's a pitty the Neo1973 will not have a case a frame made by strong, but light magnesium alloy, with integrated, fold-out bottle opener to open the

Re: Phone UI ideas

2006-11-27 Thread Marcel de Jong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is actually a good idea, on multiple levels. Touch-screens are a large limitation to the people with less eye-sight. They are the reason that phones have that indentation or the small dot on the 5 key. (same reason also for the markings of the J a

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Corey
On Monday 27 November 2006 16:14, Robert Michel wrote: > - no bottle opener > What!? unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Steve! On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Steve Salazar wrote: > Wow, thanks for all the very quick responses. Sorry if I sounded a little > confrontational or if some of my questions were already answered in other > posts but, you know, you get a little skeptical and this project does > *almost* see

Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Steve Salazar
Hey, now that I read the presentation I feel a little foolish posting a link to ESR's essays :) Oh well. Once again, thanks and good luck. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/mailman/li

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Steve! > 1. It is mentioned that the gui was designed using gtk. Will the sources > for all the interface be released? For that matter, will the sources for > everything, including the os itself, drivers, etc be released? yes, see the webblog of Harald Welte: http://gnumonks.org/~lafor

Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Steve Salazar
Wow, thanks for all the very quick responses. Sorry if I sounded a little confrontational or if some of my questions were already answered in other posts but, you know, you get a little skeptical and this project does *almost* seem too good to be true (because it sounds that good). Anyway, co

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Steve Salazar wrote: > 1. It is mentioned that the gui was designed using gtk. Will the sources > for all the interface be released? Yes. > For that matter, will the sources for > everything, including the os itself, drivers, etc be released? Yes. > Will > openmoko follow an open development m

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2006/11/27, Steve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: - Camera: People who say don't bother with a 1.3Mpix camera are photographers or otherwise photography enthusiasts. 90% of the people are very happy at 1.3M because at 1.3 you can do photo album sized images with very high quality that most peopl

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Corey schreef: > On Monday 27 November 2006 14:11, Koen Kooi wrote: >> Steve Salazar schreef: >>> - Storage: 1GB minimum integrated SD for running a real linux. >> Kernel 2.6.17.7 isn't real enough for you? ;) >> > > Heheh - when will it become clear

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Corey
On Monday 27 November 2006 14:11, Koen Kooi wrote: > Steve Salazar schreef: > > - Storage: 1GB minimum integrated SD for running a real linux. > > Kernel 2.6.17.7 isn't real enough for you? ;) > Heheh - when will it become clear that: "linux" == kernel && kernel != userland Still, you knew

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Corey
On Monday 27 November 2006 13:34, Steve Salazar wrote: > 3. Why did you not use opie or gpe? > I don't know anything about gpe, but opie uses QT, and QT is GPL - so anything written that uses the QT libraries must therefore also be GPL. GTK is LGPL, so you can use the gtk libraries in your applic

RE: Airplane Mode

2006-11-27 Thread David Schlesinger
While there isn't a large risk of interference, there's still some, just on the basis of general radiative "noise". Most airlines allow GPS receievers in-flight (except during take-offs and landings, when no electronic devices are allowed to be on); not all do, however. Good luck explaining why

Re: Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Salazar schreef: > > Hi. First of all I want to repeat what many others on this list have > already said. I am very excited about the open moko project and the > opportunities it represents. I will be one of the first in line to buy > an open

Open Moko - GPL?

2006-11-27 Thread Steve Salazar
Hi. First of all I want to repeat what many others on this list have already said. I am very excited about the open moko project and the opportunities it represents. I will be one of the first in line to buy an openmoko phone when they are available. I have a few questions. Thanks in adv

Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread Joel Newkirk
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > On Monday 27 November 2006 16:45, Jeff Andros wrote: >> the Google maps website does list a linux version, but it lists a pentium >> class processor as a system requirement, I wonder if we could get google to >> do a custom compile onto our hardware, seems like their style

Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 27 November 2006 16:45, Jeff Andros wrote: > the Google maps website does list a linux version, but it lists a pentium > class processor as a system requirement, I wonder if we could get google to > do a custom compile onto our hardware, seems like their style Google Maps is a webapp no?

Re: From A Carrier

2006-11-27 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 27 November 2006 12:01, Ylanan, Rene wrote: > Hello. We are a start-up mobile operator in the Philippines with a > CDMA2000-1x & EVDO network, and we are focusing on mobile data usage. > > It is the practice here to subsidize the subscriber's purchase of mobile > phones in exchange for l

Re: Airplane Mode

2006-11-27 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bob Pluss schreef: > Hello All, > > I've been following this thread since the beginning and am very excited > about the release of the Neo1973. > > Will there be an "airplane mode" on this phone? In which the GSM > receiver and probably the GPS recei

Re: Airplane Mode

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Bob! On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Bob Pluss wrote: > I've been following this thread since the beginning and am very > excited about the release of the Neo1973. ;) > Will there be an "airplane mode" on this phone? In which the GSM > receiver and probably the GPS receiver too > can be turned off

Re: (re)charging control and platform hardware musings

2006-11-27 Thread michael
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: One thing which annoyed me in all cellphones is charging control. How many times you discovered that phone need charging but you have to go to work? Or even worse you discovered it when you got important call to do and no way to charge phone? I'm

Re: (re)charging control

2006-11-27 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2006/11/27, Marcin Juszkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 2. battery is <'in 10-14h will be empty' Questions to hardware developers: 1. How long does the battery live with only GSM unit active? 2. How long with GSM and GPS? 3. How long with GSM, GPS and Bluetooth? 4. Is the user-mode software allowe

Re: (re)charging control

2006-11-27 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Marcin! On Mon, 27 Nov 2006, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: > One thing which annoyed me in all cellphones is charging control. This is a very important point for the usability of a phone and I 100% agree, have one of the greatest powerto make a user angry > How many > times you discovered t

Airplane Mode

2006-11-27 Thread Bob Pluss
Hello All, I've been following this thread since the beginning and am very excited about the release of the Neo1973. Will there be an "airplane mode" on this phone? In which the GSM receiver and probably the GPS receiver too can be turned off so that it is safe to be used on commercial fli

Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread bobashforth
I've been lurking' since I found out about the OpenMoko effort/product, but this looks like a good time to chime in. The GPS applications, especially in combination with phone functionality, seem like a great differentiator. Could end up redefining the answer to "What is a cell phone besides 'j

Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
By calling the browser installed on the phone with the good coordinates, I think we respect the Google Map API's terms. Mmm I think you are right. And what if use libcurl to make http requests and then use the result for our own purposes? This is not a use of the API but of the public web serv

(re)charging control

2006-11-27 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
One thing which annoyed me in all cellphones is charging control. How many times you discovered that phone need charging but you have to go to work? Or even worse you discovered it when you got important call to do and no way to charge phone? I'm thinking about adding posibility to warn user w

Re: Ten Things I Want From My Phone from Oreilly

2006-11-27 Thread Terrence
Thanks for posting. The blog and the trails leading away from it are *very* interesting. -- Terrence Terrence Barr Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded Community Sun Microsystems, Germany www.mobileandembedded.org Selem Delul wrote: Tim Oreilly posted a blog post titled as "Ten Things I Want Fro

Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread slubman
Le Lundi 27 Novembre 2006 16:20, Alessandro Iurlano a écrit : > On 11/27/06, David Ormsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > We can still have an application that simply reads GPS data from the > > phone and hits the Google Maps website with it, right? The site > > accepts long/lat. co

Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread Jeff Andros
the Google maps website does list a linux version, but it lists a pentium class processor as a system requirement, I wonder if we could get google to do a custom compile onto our hardware, seems like their style --Jeff On 11/27/06, Alessandro Iurlano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/27/06, D

Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
On 11/27/06, David Ormsbee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, We can still have an application that simply reads GPS data from the phone and hits the Google Maps website with it, right? The site accepts long/lat. coordinates, and even has a satellite view mode (though the quality isn't as high

Re: google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread David Ormsbee
Hello, We can still have an application that simply reads GPS data from the phone and hits the Google Maps website with it, right? The site accepts long/lat. coordinates, and even has a satellite view mode (though the quality isn't as high as in Google Earth). Dave On 11/27/06, Marcus Bauer <[

google earth - [was: Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea]

2006-11-27 Thread Marcus Bauer
On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 12:44 +0100, Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > I know that google provides API for the search engine. Are there APIs > for google earth maps too? Slashdot ran yesterday a story about this: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/25/225256 http://gaia.serezhkin.com/ Basicall

Voice recognition

2006-11-27 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
Hello to all the list! I would like to know if there will be some kind of voice control/recognition on the phone. If so, I would like also to know which sw will be used to implement it as I would like to develop some kind of interface based on speech on the phone. Thanks Alessandro _

Re: Another simple GPS+GPRS idea

2006-11-27 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
Something to add to this idea... I'd like to have the phone interact with Google Earth maps. Something like "Let me see how the place where I am now looks from the sky" Which may be very useful when you are walking around and try to find the best route to another place. I know that google provide

Re: Better screen drawing kernel patch

2006-11-27 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Mon, 2006-11-27 at 19:00, jollen wrote: > > I put on a patch for s3c2410 SOC which make the mobile panel going better. You plan to port this to 2.6? The Neo1973 is using a 2.6 kernel not 2.4. Thanks for your work. regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Better screen drawing kernel patch

2006-11-27 Thread jollen
Hi all, I put on a patch for s3c2410 SOC which make the mobile panel going better. The original codes from MIZI were not considered 24-bpp/32-bpp fb/fb-con support and were not given good pulse/porch values for this panel. Posts and files can be found on my 2410's blog now, http://www.jollen.o

From A Carrier

2006-11-27 Thread Ylanan, Rene
Hello. We are a start-up mobile operator in the Philippines with a CDMA2000-1x & EVDO network, and we are focusing on mobile data usage. It is the practice here to subsidize the subscriber's purchase of mobile phones in exchange for long-term service lock-in, so we are always on the look-out f