Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Mike writes: > >Yes I know that, I still vote for subject tags and reply-list. I don't really care about subject tags, but would prefer reply-list. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listin

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Marcel de Jong
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Bohme wrote: > Mike wrote: >> Marcel de Jong wrote: >>> ps. >>> I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this >>> mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only >>> mailinglist that I know, that does that thi

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Mike
Paul Bohme wrote: Mike wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: ps. I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only mailinglist that I know, that does that this way) You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing tha

Re: MicroSD Wifi ?

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Grahame Falvey writes: > >Not to sound too negative, but that's rather pointless really. I have >a Nokia 6230 which has the MMC slot under the battery and it's just >plain annoying to have to remove it whenever I want top copy stuff >onto or off it. Would there be a technical reason why it would

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Dane Jensen
On Saturday 13 January 2007 13:03, Carlo E. Prelz wrote: > PS I have an unrelated question. I see that FIC produces laptops (the > contact for clients here in the Netherlands is someone in the UK). I > expect you are a user of these laptops. Do you have a good > experience? I was very upset when, a

Re: MicroSD Wifi ?

2007-01-15 Thread Paul Bohme
Grahame Falvey wrote: On 15/01/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Grahame Falvey writes: > >Is the microSD slot accessable while the phone is operational? Or >does one have to remove the battery and hence power down the device in >order to swap out the card? As far as we know, it requ

Re: Wish: easy connecting with linux

2007-01-15 Thread community
Marcel de Jong schrieb: I'd like it if I could connect the phone to my Linux box and share my internet connection with the phone. Previous attempts with different devices failed for me. If this process could be simplified with the Openmoko, that would be great. Get bluetooth for your PC, establ

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Mike Krier
Marcel de Jong wrote: On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm in the US, in New York city. What networks can I use a Neo1973 phone on? Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones? In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard)

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Paul Bohme
Mike wrote: Marcel de Jong wrote: ps. I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only mailinglist that I know, that does that this way) You'll want to be careful here - is an odd thing that people get really

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Mike Krier
Marcel de Jong wrote: On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm in the US, in New York city. What networks can I use a Neo1973 phone on? Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones? In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard)

Re: MicroSD Wifi ?

2007-01-15 Thread Grahame Falvey
On 15/01/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Grahame Falvey writes: > >Is the microSD slot accessable while the phone is operational? Or >does one have to remove the battery and hence power down the device in >order to swap out the card? As far as we know, it requires powering-down the

Re: MicroSD Wifi ?

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Grahame Falvey writes: > >Is the microSD slot accessable while the phone is operational? Or >does one have to remove the battery and hence power down the device in >order to swap out the card? As far as we know, it requires powering-down the phone. ___

Re: Kingmax announces microSDHC 4G card

2007-01-15 Thread Grahame Falvey
On 15/01/07, Paul Bohme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: kkr wrote: >> http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?language=en#news12096 >> >> Any chance to use those with the Neo? >> ___ >> OpenMoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://

Re: keyboard / keypad idea

2007-01-15 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Derek Pressnall schrieb: Then you would still be using the touch screen for input (pressure applied to the bumps would transfer through the overlay to the touch screen), but the keypad pattern would show up through the bottom part of the overlay (with the "bumps") where you could still "blind dia

Re: MicroSD Wifi ?

2007-01-15 Thread Grahame Falvey
On 15/01/07, Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/15/07, Dwayne Bonson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've read a few questions and comments from the list archives about wifi > with the Neo but it seems most are looking at USB as an alternative but > that's not really mobile if you need to car

TomTom on OpenMoko

2007-01-15 Thread Graham Auld
Me too! I currently run TomTom Navigator 6 on a Dell Axim X30 PDA. I tturns out all i really ever use my pda for is the odd bit of calender, reading e-books and in car sat nav. Clearly with the car kit for the Neo1973 and a (powered) USB GPS I could replace my windows CE device with something a l

Re: Bluetooth questions from a bluetooth guy

2007-01-15 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Fabien Chevalier wrote: * Which profiles to you intend to support in the initial release ? Umm.. maybe I'm missing something here - but since the phone is runnig Linux with BlueZ, it will support all core Bluetooth protocols and layers. -Sven ___ O

Re: Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Mike
Marcel de Jong wrote: On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm in the US, in New York city. What networks can I use a Neo1973 phone on? Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones? In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard)

Fwd: OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Marcel de Jong
On 1/15/07, Mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm in the US, in New York city. What networks can I use a Neo1973 phone on? Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones? In contrast to CDMA phones, a GSM phone isn't normally locked to a carrier, only the GSM-chip (SIMcard) that is inside your GS

Re: Wish: easy connecting with linux

2007-01-15 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Marcel de Jong schrieb: I'd like it if I could connect the phone to my Linux box and share my internet connection with the phone. Previous attempts with different devices failed for me. If this process could be simplified with the Openmoko, that would be great. Get bluetooth for your PC, establ

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Carlo E. Prelz
Subject: Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: lun 15 gen 07 04:07:40 +0100 Quoting Torsten Röhl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Why - QWERTY keypad ? we have a wide screen 2,8 inch and i > love the new iphone concept without qwerty keypad. I hope that

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On 1/13/07 2:04 PM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If FIC are smart they will sell to the EU citizens from an EU address. This will make the customs clearance and warranty problems disappear, as EU has the same minimum standards for warranty (see http://www.euroc

Re: Kingmax announces microSDHC 4G card

2007-01-15 Thread Paul Bohme
kkr wrote: http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?language=en#news12096 Any chance to use those with the Neo? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community As mentioned on

Re: Kingmax announces microSDHC 4G card

2007-01-15 Thread kkr
> http://www.mobile-review.com/news.php?language=en#news12096 > > Any chance to use those with the Neo? > ___ > OpenMoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community As mentioned on http:

Re: Bluetooth questions from a bluetooth guy [Was: collaborating on bluetooth audio]

2007-01-15 Thread Brad Midgley
Fabien Brad's questions brings up even some more questions. Brad is talking about a2dp which should really be cool to have on OpenMoko voice is obviously more relevant first. Some other questions that i would be very happy to have answers for : * Which bluetooth chip will you use? Which

Re: keyboard / keypad idea

2007-01-15 Thread Paul Bohme
Derek Pressnall wrote: Since devices like the neo 1973 and the iphone don't have a keypad, I thought of an idea that could provide a close substitute. How about making a screen protector type of overlay that is transparent at the top, but the bottom section would have raised bumps in a keypad lay

OpenMoko in my area?

2007-01-15 Thread Mike
I'm in the US, in New York city. What networks can I use a Neo1973 phone on? Do all GSM carriers accept all GSM phones? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Idea: Human screenning

2007-01-15 Thread Paul Bohme
Dave Crossland wrote: On 15/01/07, Gervais Mulongoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Heh, until the phone spam operators start using basic voice recognition and to defeat the simple riddle :p Spammers don't do email address de-obfuscation because it takes too much processing time; I can't see them

Re: collaborating on bluetooth audio

2007-01-15 Thread Brad Midgley
Koen What's the openmoko developers' take on pulseaudio? I'm looking at how a > bluetooth pulse plugin would work out. fwiw, pulse could run as its own > service or be embedded in another service. In terms of audiorouting, wouldn't a gstreamer based solution be more flexible? pulse provides

What consum more power - radio or audio encoding? Re: No WiFi for me

2007-01-15 Thread Robert Michel
Salve [cc]smart! Your mail make me ask what consumes more power - BT dataconnection and Sip client on the mobil - Sip client on an external box and Dect audio connection to the mobil ? [cc]smart schrieb am Montag, den 15. Januar 2007 um 20:26h: > WiFi is not made for realtime data, even less tha

Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-15 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2007/1/14, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > in the neighborhood of $1000-2000/month. We have awful data plans That's probably to expensive for most people, which again kills they calculation. At least our local telcos started to comprehending that they need a mass market product to recou

No WiFi for me

2007-01-15 Thread [cc]smart
WiFi is not made for realtime data, even less than IP. You have to share the bandwidth with others and it eats too much juice. For local wireless telephone capabilities i'd prefer DECT, and for VoIP convert that. For wireless IP connection in the living room, i'd use a bluetooth AP. For bulk dat

Re: Idea: Audio-in and audio-out on same connector

2007-01-15 Thread Dave Crossland
Hi Ole! On 14/01/07, Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have never seen a device where the same connector could act as both audio-in and audio-out I think you can do this with an iPod: http://ipodlinux.org/Recording -- Regards, Dave ___ OpenMo

Re: Idea: Human screenning

2007-01-15 Thread Dave Crossland
On 15/01/07, Gervais Mulongoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Heh, until the phone spam operators start using basic voice recognition and to defeat the simple riddle :p Spammers don't do email address de-obfuscation because it takes too much processing time; I can't see them doing this in practice :

Re: 10 Ideas from a Non-Developer

2007-01-15 Thread Shu Hung (Koala)
I think you may add your Ideas to this page: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Ideas This would be a better way to collaborate ideas. Yet another non-developer ^^ Koala Yeung On 1/14/07, Ryan Kline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ideas: 1. (sort of like boost mobile but,) Locate your buddies

Bluetooth questions from a bluetooth guy [Was: collaborating on bluetooth audio]

2007-01-15 Thread Fabien Chevalier
Hi all, Brad, i was about to poke the list for some Bluetooth question, it looks like you were faster than i was ;-) For those who don't know me (everybody, i guess ;-) ), i'm working with the Bluez guys(including Brad ;-) ) on integrating Voice headsets support under Linux. This kind of su

Call Waiting questions

2007-01-15 Thread Dimitris Kogias
I've thought of some use cases where the exact "API" that the GSM stack presents to the open part of the phone makes a difference. Sean, how is call waiting implemented? Specifically, where is the "beep" sound one normally hears when there's an incoming call while an earlier call is in progress g

keyboard / keypad idea

2007-01-15 Thread Derek Pressnall
Since devices like the neo 1973 and the iphone don't have a keypad, I thought of an idea that could provide a close substitute. How about making a screen protector type of overlay that is transparent at the top, but the bottom section would have raised bumps in a keypad layout? I'm thinking of ma

Re: collaborating on bluetooth audio

2007-01-15 Thread Koen Kooi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brad Midgley schreef: > Hi > > I'm working on bluetooth audio--see bluetooth-alsa.sf.net > . > > What sort of software are you using for bluetooth voice? Is it combined > into some other services or standalone? > > We'r

WiFi support for maybe next version of OpenMoko phone

2007-01-15 Thread Shu Hung (Koala)
Sean, I don't know if this is helpful. It seems that support for zd1211 chipset on linux is quite good. You may find the open source driver here: http://zd1211.ath.cx/. If I am not mistaken, their driver have been included kernel since 2.6.18. Also, the driver site have a list of WiFi adapter tha

Re: ToDo/Wish list

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/15/07 5:50 PM, "Christopher Heiny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 12 January 2007 06:25, Ole Tange scribbled in crayon on the back > of a kid's menu: >> On 1/12/07, Gervais Mulongoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track >>

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/13/07 2:04 PM, "Ole Tange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/13/07, Oleg Gusev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Am Samstag, 13. Januar 2007 01:53 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: >>> >>> Again I'm no official source, but as far as I see, they've consistently >>> talked about it being global direct sale,

collaborating on bluetooth audio

2007-01-15 Thread Brad Midgley
Hi I'm working on bluetooth audio--see bluetooth-alsa.sf.net. What sort of software are you using for bluetooth voice? Is it combined into some other services or standalone? We're also working on a2dp--our plan is to have one service running both voice and a2dp. Obviously it would be great for

Re: MicroSD Wifi ?

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
On 1/15/07, Dwayne Bonson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've read a few questions and comments from the list archives about wifi with the Neo but it seems most are looking at USB as an alternative but that's not really mobile if you need to carry a powered USB hub around also and then find somewhere

ToDo/Wish list

2007-01-15 Thread Christopher Heiny
On Friday 12 January 2007 06:25, Ole Tange scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: > On 1/12/07, Gervais Mulongoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track > > the sort of features that would be nice to have in the phone. I think

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Torsten Röhl writes: > >Why - QWERTY keypad ? we have a wide screen 2,8 inch and i >love the new iphone concept without qwerty keypad. I hope that >the next neo1973 generation phones are also iphone like (without qwerty >keypad) ... i think a neo1973 next generation phone with qwerty keypad is

Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-15 Thread ROB
Hi... I just stumbled across this project yesterday while getting over my disappointment at the announcements that the iPhone would be a closed system - not a surprising announcement at all, but disappointing nonetheless. Anyhow, I'm pretty fired up about this project now that I've come across it

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-15 Thread Jonas Meyer
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:47 PM, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote: With 64M flash and 1G card? Bigger flash capacity cards will come. And your Neo can keep getting bigger and bigger cards, while that iPhone is going to be stuck with 4 or 8. Besides, there are only 3 capacities of portable music pl

MicroSD Wifi ?

2007-01-15 Thread Dwayne Bonson
I've read a few questions and comments from the list archives about wifi with the Neo but it seems most are looking at USB as an alternative but that's not really mobile if you need to carry a powered USB hub around also and then find somewhere to plug in. Wouldn't a microSD wifi card do the trick

kexec-arm.patch? Re: Question about kernel level hacking

2007-01-15 Thread Robert Michel
Salve Alessandro! On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Alessandro Iurlano wrote: > As I am mainly a low level programmer I will probably try to put my hands on > the Neo at kernel level like customizing > the linux kernel with patches or even try to program the Neo with my own > kernel. :))) > I think that the o

Re: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Christopher Heiny
On Friday 12 January 2007 05:32, Gervais Mulongoy scribbled in crayon on the back of a kid's menu: > another solution to that could be the use of scalable graphics the way > its done with svg or the way it is done in enlightenment. That sounds like a much better solution than the "monoculture" ap

Re: Real Neo1973 photo?

2007-01-15 Thread Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik
On 18:32:59 2007-01-11 Paul Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Offhand, any idea what the size of the first production run will be > like? I'm really looking forward to the phone and want to make sure I > can get one :) > > --pj > I won't hold out for the first run unless it has WiFi or anot

Re: hardware questions FIC Neo1973 Smartphone

2007-01-15 Thread Attila Kiss
A late answer, but still... Andreas Kostyrka wrote: > Will GPRS get suspended while a voice call is in progress? (Guess so) > AFAIK there is no C class GPRS phone available on the market, I don't think there is a HW available for that and probably never will be. C class GPRS phone could keep GP

10 Ideas from a Non-Developer

2007-01-15 Thread Ryan Kline
Ideas: 1. (sort of like boost mobile but,) Locate your buddies using GPS on a map system. Possibly non-neo phones too... 2. We need an all around instant messaging client that uses data (NOT SMS) 3. Make the phone look awesome when it rings with awesome animation or flashing multicolored

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
On 1/12/07, Gervais Mulongoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track the sort of features that would be nice to have in the phone. I think we should model this on http://www.neurosaudio.com/ See: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/

Wish: easy connecting with linux

2007-01-15 Thread el jefe delito
This would be great -- make the connection as easy as possible via my Linux box. Even if it was just a shell script to set this up -- answer a few questions (what is the outgoing interface? eth0, eth1, wlan0...) and the device is ready to plug-and-use. -- be seeing you. _

Fwd: Wish: easy connecting with linux

2007-01-15 Thread Marcel de Jong
-- Forwarded message -- From: Marcel de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 15:43:16 + Subject: Re: Wish: easy connecting with linux To: Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well what I'd like it to be is to connect the phone using the usbcable to the pc. And them somehow

Re: Intercepting Audio == Freedom from Service Providers

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Tomasz Zielinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070115 15:07]: > 2007/1/14, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >c) without being online all the time, you probably need to use it > >interactivly. 144B/s is way to slow for sensible feedback in the 1-2 > >seconds a user might accept to wait. > > Well

Re: Question about kernel level hacking

2007-01-15 Thread Alessandro Iurlano
On 1/13/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/12/07 9:26 AM, "Heilpern, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can only speculate, but I would expect a JTAG port to be made available -- > probably on the phone itself, but failing that, through the "hackers lunchbox" > (or was that t

Re: Wish: easy connecting with linux

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
On 1/15/07, Marcel de Jong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like it if I could connect the phone to my Linux box and share my internet connection with the phone. Previous attempts with different devices failed for me. If this process could be simplified with the Openmoko, that would be great. Sev

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Torsten Röhl
Am Montag, 15. Januar 2007 15:44 schrieb Andreas Kostyrka: > * Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070115 15:35]: > > On 1/12/07 3:23 AM, "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard > > > model with native openmoko? (Possib

RE: logins? access to private data on the phone

2007-01-15 Thread Heilpern, Mark
Sounds like what you really want is a secure way to log in that's more convenient than a password -- something like a fingerprint sensor. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Pfeiffer Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:34 PM To: community@lis

Idea: OpenSync plugin

2007-01-15 Thread MartinG
Idea: In order to get the Neo 1973 to stay in sync with different devices and PIMs, someone could make a Opensync plugin that supports whatever Openmoko is using (is openmoko syncml compatible? IRMC?) I don't know, anyhow - someone should make sure everything works out the way it should with the

Wish: easy connecting with linux

2007-01-15 Thread Marcel de Jong
I'd like it if I could connect the phone to my Linux box and share my internet connection with the phone. Previous attempts with different devices failed for me. If this process could be simplified with the Openmoko, that would be great. ___ OpenMoko co

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070115 15:35]: > On 1/12/07 3:23 AM, "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard > > model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and > > with real mini-sd instead

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 6:50 AM, "Jon Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 09:22 -0500, Gervais Mulongoy wrote: >> I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track >> the sort of features that would be nice to have in the phone. I think >> we should model this on ht

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 1:14 AM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data >> and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something >> people would pay for? > > Yes, I would be interested in paying for car nav

Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 9:56 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sean, please tell your team that we (well some of us at least) support your > decision to delay the release until you are happy with the unit. Thanks guys! > One thing: Please remove the "January" statement on the openmoko webs

Investing in FIC

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
Does anyone know how to buy shares/stocks in FIC? /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 3:23 AM, "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce a QWERTY keyboard > model with native openmoko? (Possibly with wifi in place of gps, and > with real mini-sd instead of micro-sd - but these are my personal > preferences) No matter

Re: Real Neo1973 photo?

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/11/07 9:32 AM, "Paul Jimenez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Once we have phones shipping, I would love to start a conversation with all >> of you about how to organize and support this effort. I promise to put >> resources where my mouth is ;-) > > Offhand, any idea what the size of the firs

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
On 1/13/07, Oleg Gusev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Am Samstag, 13. Januar 2007 01:53 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: > > Again I'm no official source, but as far as I see, they've consistently > talked about it being global direct sale, whether it's Jan or Feb... What about VAT, customs clearance and warr

Idea: Noise Cancellation

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
Using the microphone we should be able to do some noise cancellation. Maybe when playing music the Neo could record the ambient noise and try cancelling that. /Ole -- http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/ideas/NoiseCancellation ___ OpenMoko communi

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Oleg Gusev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070113 02:06]: > Am Samstag, 13. Januar 2007 01:53 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: > > > > Again I'm no official source, but as far as I see, they've consistently > > talked about it being global direct sale, whether it's Jan or Feb... > > > > What about VAT, customs clear

Re: Intercepting Audio == Freedom from Service Providers

2007-01-15 Thread Tomasz Zielinski
2007/1/14, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: c) without being online all the time, you probably need to use it interactivly. 144B/s is way to slow for sensible feedback in the 1-2 seconds a user might accept to wait. Well, think about long wave submarine communication channel, which can se

Re: Intercepting Audio == Freedom from Service Providers

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
> If your phone can receive data over a voice channel, you have less of > a reason to pay your service provider for a separate "data package". > This would be especially nice for someone like me who only subcribes > to the "bare bones" plan, but still has minutes left over at the end > of the month

Re: Idea: Human screenning

2007-01-15 Thread Gervais Mulongoy
Heh, until the phone spam operators start using basic voice recognition and to defeat the simple riddle :p On 1/14/07, Ole Tange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Phone spam is when a computer dials your number and when you take the call a recorded message is played. Phone spam is not that widespread

logins? access to private data on the phone

2007-01-15 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
After spending a few minutes today being annoyed again by my Palm Pilot's idea of security, I'm wondering how logins and security will be handled by openmoko (and how they're handled by existing Linux PDAs). What I'd like to see would be for most functions to be available without the need for any

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Torsten Röhl
Am Montag, 15. Januar 2007 14:50 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: > Dnia sobota, 13 stycznia 2007 14:04, Ole Tange napisał: > > I also would expect FIC already has at least one distributer in EU > > that can cover all of EU. From a shipping cost perspective it will > > probably make sense, too. > > From

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia sobota, 13 stycznia 2007 14:04, Ole Tange napisał: > I also would expect FIC already has at least one distributer in EU > that can cover all of EU. From a shipping cost perspective it will > probably make sense, too. From my informations there will be atleast one company in EU which will se

Re: Intercepting Audio == Freedom from Service Providers

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Bryan Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070113 15:32]: > On 1/13/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If your phone can receive data over a voice channel, you have less of > >> a reason to pay your service provider for a separate "data package". > >> This would be especially nice for some

Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070113 17:58]: > >E.g.: I've used a Sidekick and now use a Nokia 9500 intensivly, and I > >seldom go over 1-2MB per day (despite it having EGPRS, which is a > >qualitive jump). > > ...In Canada, at $.03 per kb, 1-2 mb per day would add up to somewhere Well, that's about

Idea: Human screenning

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
Phone spam is when a computer dials your number and when you take the call a recorded message is played. Phone spam is not that widespread yet, but will probably be when flat rate phones (such as VoIP to VoIP calls) become more widespread. To fight phone spam a human screening facility could be i

Re: Real Neo1973 photo / Neo delayed...!?

2007-01-15 Thread Marc Verwerft
>> If there's enough interest, it might be cool to just sell the mapping data >> and see if we can support an open source mapping engineer. Is this something >> people would pay for? > > Yes, I would be interested in paying for car navigation software to run on > the OpenMoko. > For reference, To

Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-15 Thread Richard Franks
On 1/13/07, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyhow, I've been thinking about it, and at 9600 baud or whatever it wouldn't be worth bothering with. I think what I'll do is build a little pocket sized battery powered usb hub with an attached usb 802.11 dongle. While I'm at it, I'll probably put a

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/13/07 9:03 PM, "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Do you know if FIC is bound by the same idiot rules, or I can purchase > a portable with a clean hard drive? I might be interested in a GR3 > model. This is totally out of our control. These kinds of rules are company-to-Microsoft

Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone

2007-01-15 Thread Carlo E. Prelz
Subject: Re: A FIC phone with a real keyboard - Was: OpenMoko ON the iPhone Date: sab 13 gen 07 07:40:39 + Quoting Sean Moss-Pultz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On 1/12/07 3:23 AM, "Carlo E. Prelz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My question is: are there plans for FIC to produce

Re: Interesting iPhone article

2007-01-15 Thread Terrence Barr - Evangelist, Java Mobile & Embedded
Thanks for posting. You might also want to check out my blog on the topic: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/terrencebarr/ In summary, I think iPhone misses the point in multiple ways. OpenMoko still has lots of room to grow. -- Terrence Christopher Heiny wrote: Some of you may have already read

Idea: Automatically turn on bluetooth on incoming call -> BT headset

2007-01-15 Thread MartinG
Hi list, just want to share this simple idea: In order to save some battery and still be able to reveive a call to a BT headset, the Neo 1973 should be able to automatically turn on bluetooth when the phone rings, and then connect to the headset (of course this should be optional). It might very

[Ignore] Mailinglist Server Test

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Hochsteger
Just a test, to see, if the server is down or if there are no new messages for over a day now ... -- Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Idea: Widget: substring selector box

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
The substring selector box is a combo box. In the textfield of the combo box you will write substrings. Only options that match all the substrings will be shown in the dropdown list. The dropdown list will dynamically update every time you enter/change a letter. An example of it is use is searchi

Idea: Widget: Voicetext

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
In a lot of programs you have to enter text. When working on the road it is sometimes awkward to enter text. In these situations it may be easier to say something. Every text field should support recording a message. If possible it should try to convert the speech to text, but the speech should al

Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070113 17:58]: > >E.g.: I've used a Sidekick and now use a Nokia 9500 intensivly, and I > >seldom go over 1-2MB per day (despite it having EGPRS, which is a > >qualitive jump). > > ...In Canada, at $.03 per kb, 1-2 mb per day would add up to somewhere > in the neighborho

Idea: Audio-in and audio-out on same connector

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
It has been discussed on the list that it might be useful to have connector for line-in. So far I have found that the price would be too high, as the device will then have to have yet another connector. But then I wondered: Would it be possible to use the same physical connector? I have never see

Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 4:53 PM, "Mikko Rauhala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Incidentally, I'm also interested in the official word, if any, on the > new 4G micro-SDs. I _was_ glad to see Sean's "micro-SD can go to 2GB > now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me)" comment, though I would be > more comfortable i

Re: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi (cel-dialup)

2007-01-15 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
* Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070112 17:38]: >In the meantime, I was thinking about how I could get around the lack of >wifi last night and something occurred to me... Would it be possible with >this phone to set up a PPP dialup server on my machine at home, and get >dialup access to

Re: Navigational software

2007-01-15 Thread Ole Tange
On 1/11/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/11/07 1:06 PM, "Sven Neuhaus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Car kit? Please tell me it includes car navigation software... :) > This screen (not to mention the GPS) is just screaming for maps to display. We have this stuff, but I didn't

Re: Intercepting Audio == Freedom from Service Providers

2007-01-15 Thread Bryan Fink
On 1/13/07, Andreas Kostyrka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If your phone can receive data over a voice channel, you have less of > a reason to pay your service provider for a separate "data package". > This would be especially nice for someone like me who only subcribes > to the "bare bones" plan,

WiFi through Bluetooth (Was: Non-gprs Internet access options without wifi)

2007-01-15 Thread Justyn Butler
Since my last message I've found out a little more about the upcoming BluOnyx from Agere, and it sounds like a really good candidate for bridging WiFi to the neo1973 over Bluetooth. Here's an Engadget post describing the device a month ago: http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/18/ageres-bluonyx-portab

Re: Question about kernel level hacking

2007-01-15 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 1/12/07 9:26 AM, "Heilpern, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can only speculate, but I would expect a JTAG port to be made available -- > probably on the phone itself, but failing that, through the "hackers lunchbox" > (or was that toolbox?) accessory. That would allow you to reprogram flas

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