On Thursday 18 January 2007 07:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I don't know what it is about the guy who posted this thread, but I really
> think that he's got some sort of talent for getting people talking. I
> posted a similar idea only yesterday that received no replies. Could
> someone brief m
On Thursday 18 January 2007 00:09, Renaissance Man wrote:
> The reason is neither of them have VoIP via WiFi.
>
> Who do I talk to ask them to include WiFi connectivity with the
> OpenMoko? I'll sell my body parts to get hold of such a device.
>
> Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get i
On Thursday 18 January 2007 02:05, Renaissance Man wrote:
> I've now read the reasons for its exclusion, but having read Sean's
> marketing PDF to the carriers one can't help but wonder if OpenMoko
> is just yet another victim of the carrier monopoly on mobile
> communications, which would beg the
On Thursday 18 January 2007 02:59, Renaissance Man wrote:
> > you seem to have worse autonomy
>
> No, because you'll still have GSM, and WiFi actually ensures the
> carriers lose control over you.
Bad wording, was referring to power outlet independance.
>> worse coverage
>No, you'll have better c
Alexander McLeay wrote:
> On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
>> I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth
>> connection.
>>
>> I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be
>> a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp
On Thursday 18 January 2007 02:17, Renaissance Man wrote:
> Anything that allows me to go from spending £45 plus a month on
> mobile communications to effectively zero, including talking to my
> parents who live on the other side of the planet, is revolutionary.
Don't forget that carriers have PLE
> On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:37 PM, David Schlesinger wrote:
>> The NEO's not _cheap_, exactly: there was a recent survey of 1,800
>> recent
>> purchasers of cell phones, and 21--not 21 _percent_, mind you, 21,
>> period--paid over $400. Not many more paid as much as $350.
>
> To me what differentiates
On 1/18/07, Rod Whitby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
I also connect to IRC, can ssh, and surf the web, all over the bluetooth
connection.
I expect to be able to do the same with the Neo, except that it will be
a true PAN BT connection rather than the ppp over serial BT connection
that I use now
Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote:
>>> Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :(
>> It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB
>> dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ...
>>
>> I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetoot
Neo's average battery life when idle in one place, waiting for calls?
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> > Need to set up a server though, it won't just access my Linksys Box :(
>
> It will access your Linksys NSLU2 running SlugOS with a bluetooth USB
> dongle plugged into it, sitting beside your Linksys Router ...
>
> I do this today with the Treo 650 to get bluetooth network coverage in
> my house
On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:37 PM, David Schlesinger wrote:
The NEO's not _cheap_, exactly: there was a recent survey of 1,800
recent
purchasers of cell phones, and 21--not 21 _percent_, mind you, 21,
period--paid over $400. Not many more paid as much as $350.
To me what differentiates the NEO from
Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote:
> On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote:
>> Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth. At least with
>> linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and
>> you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed. Neos
>> won't b
On 1/17/07 6:12 PM, "Renaissance Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2007, at 2:00 am, David Schlesinger wrote:
>
>> You can go out and buy a Nokia 800 or a Sony Mylo today for the
>> price of a NEO and do VoIP right this instant. If it's changed the
>> world, I guess I must not have been
On Thursday 18 January 2007 09:25, you wrote:
> Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth. At least with
> linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and
> you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed. Neos
> won't be islands, even when untethered from
On Jan 17, 2007, at 7:00 PM, David Schlesinger wrote:
The revolution evidently has a bunch of people who don't see that
the value of half (or ninety-five one-hundredths) of a loaf exceeds
that of no loaf at all.
I wouldn't take this very seriously. Despite the lack of WiFi, which
I defin
What makes OpenMoko disruptive where the iPhone may not be is not WiFi
or VoIP per se.
The key ingredient is the control of one's personal public access
handle. Where voice is concerned that's your phone number. Even in
locales where number portability is available, the list of players among
whi
On 18 Jan 2007, at 2:14 am, Jean-Philippe Monteiro wrote:
Why do I want WiFi? ... NOT to make expensive VoIP calls in
airports - if I want to spend money in airports, there are plenty
of other ways...
Yeah you could make expense GSM calls instead. Naturally you're much
better off using Wi
Thankfully most of this can be done over Bluetooth. At least with
linux computers you'll be able to access it as a network device, and
you'll be able to run smb or sshfs albeit at reduced speed. Neos
won't be islands, even when untethered from USB. :)
- Chad
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On 18 Jan 2007, at 2:00 am, David Schlesinger wrote:
You can go out and buy a Nokia 800 or a Sony Mylo today for the
price of a NEO and do VoIP right this instant. If it's changed the
world, I guess I must not have been paying attention.
No you don't appear to be reading correctly what I'm
Hi Community
A lot of stuff around WiFi these days - A feature that does _not_ seems to be
even planned as of now! :)
Why do I want WiFi?
NOT to make expensive VoIP calls in airports - if I want to spend money in
airports, there are plenty of other ways...
I want WiFI so that the Phone is a r
On 18 Jan 2007, at 1:29 am, Attila Csipa wrote:
Could you share with us WHY do you think that is the killer app ?
Because I can cut my telecommunications bill practically down to
zero. Most of my phone calls are made at work and home, both of which
already have WiFi, but then there's also
On 1/17/07 5:17 PM, "Renaissance Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2007, at 12:57 am, Richard Franks wrote:
>
>> I disagree - VoIP via WiFi is an obvious evolution rather than
>> revolutionary.
>
> But you're looking at it from a geek's point of view instead of a
> typical end-user's po
On 1/17/07, Attila Csipa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thursday 18 January 2007 00:09, Renaissance Man wrote:
> Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get it that the mobile
> communications revolution is through VoIP via WiFi. This is the
> killer app.
Could you share with us WHY do you
On Jan 17, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Richard Franks wrote:
I disagree - VoIP via WiFi is an obvious evolution rather than
revolutionary. I don't think it's a 'killer app' either - in the terms
of the phone manufacturer who is more likely to benefit from getting
6-12months lead and market share in an unex
Renaissance Man wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007, at 12:57 am, Richard Franks wrote:
I disagree - VoIP via WiFi is an obvious evolution rather than
revolutionary.
But you're looking at it from a geek's point of view instead of a
typical end-user's point of view.
Anything that allows me to go from sp
Renaissance Man writes:
>On 18 Jan 2007, at 12:57 am, Richard Franks wrote:
>
>> I disagree - VoIP via WiFi is an obvious evolution rather than
>> revolutionary.
>
>But you're looking at it from a geek's point of view instead of a
>typical end-user's point of view.
Around here, a typical end-u
Quoting Ulrik Rasmussen:
Do you know how many words/characters per minute it is possible to achieve?
I ran some tests a while ago, using the Zaurus version of quikscript,
here's what I posted to a zaurus forum at the time (based on my
personal results):
: 1) Handwriting recognition: barely 5 -
On Thursday 18 January 2007 00:09, Renaissance Man wrote:
> Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get it that the mobile
> communications revolution is through VoIP via WiFi. This is the
> killer app.
Could you share with us WHY do you think that is the killer app ? (for DATA
applications
On 18 Jan 2007, at 12:57 am, Richard Franks wrote:
I disagree - VoIP via WiFi is an obvious evolution rather than
revolutionary.
But you're looking at it from a geek's point of view instead of a
typical end-user's point of view.
Anything that allows me to go from spending £45 plus a month
Well, call me when it has WiFi. I just don't think this thing's going
to get the start it should have got.
I've now read the reasons for its exclusion, but having read Sean's
marketing PDF to the carriers one can't help but wonder if OpenMoko
is just yet another victim of the carrier monopo
On 1/18/07, Renaissance Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007, at 12:42 am, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Renaissance Man writes:
>> Everything I've read says it doesn't have WiFi.
>
> It doesn't. But assuming it's a success, there will surely be a
> successor soon that does.
Or how about guara
Renaissance Man writes:
>On 18 Jan 2007, at 12:42 am, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>
>> Renaissance Man writes:
>>> Everything I've read says it doesn't have WiFi.
>>
>> It doesn't. But assuming it's a success, there will surely be a
>> successor soon that does.
>
>Or how about guarantee success by giving
On 1/17/07, Renaissance Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The reason is neither of them have VoIP via WiFi.
Who do I talk to ask them to include WiFi connectivity with the
OpenMoko? I'll sell my body parts to get hold of such a device.
Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get it that the
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 17:40, Renaissance Man wrote:
> It doesn't have the one thing it needs to be a revolution.
>
The revolution will break out when FIC releases the second version of the
OpenMoko hardware, which I wouldn't be all too surprised if it happens
before the end of the year. Un
Er, and no GSM. The Nokia 800 is as worthless as the iPhone and Neo.
In fact the answer is the Nokia N80 and Truphone:
http://www.truphone.com/
But the reason I wrote is because I think the iPhone and OpenMoko Neo
are great products (much more potential than the Nokia N80), except
that they
On 18 Jan 2007, at 12:42 am, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
Renaissance Man writes:
Everything I've read says it doesn't have WiFi.
It doesn't. But assuming it's a success, there will surely be a
successor soon that does.
Or how about guarantee success by giving it WiFi. This is all it
needs to be
Renaissance Man writes:
>>
>> It's just a matter of patience. OpenMoko/Neo is the Way[TM].
>
>Everything I've read says it doesn't have WiFi.
It doesn't. But assuming it's a success, there will surely be a
successor soon that does. In the meantime, a bluetooth access point
isn't a great solution
On 17 Jan 2007, at 11:29 pm, Alexander Steinert wrote:
They got it.
Who got it?
But VoIPoWLAN as the *only* speech channel is no killer app, IMHO.
It's VoIPoWLAN + GSM.
Yeah that's what I meant. GSM's a given. As I said, Truphone offers
this capability and you have one phone number whic
> Who do I talk to ask them to include WiFi connectivity with the
> OpenMoko? I'll sell my body parts to get hold of such a device.
I'd resell your kidneys :-)
> Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get it that the mobile
> communications revolution is through VoIP via WiFi. This is
The reason is neither of them have VoIP via WiFi.
Who do I talk to ask them to include WiFi connectivity with the
OpenMoko? I'll sell my body parts to get hold of such a device.
Why does no organisation (even Apple) seem to get it that the mobile
communications revolution is through VoIP vi
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 14:37, kenneth marken scribbled in crayon on
the back of a kid's menu:
> Christopher Heiny wrote:
> > On Wednesday 17 January 2007 13:48, David Schlesinger scribbled in
> > crayon on
> >
> > the back of a kid's menu:
> >> On 1/17/07 1:44 PM, "kenneth marken" <[EMAIL PR
Christopher Heiny wrote:
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 13:48, David Schlesinger scribbled in crayon on
the back of a kid's menu:
On 1/17/07 1:44 PM, "kenneth marken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hmm, i seems to be getting a bit of flak about this on osnews when it
comes how bulky the phone can be.
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 13:48, David Schlesinger scribbled in crayon on
the back of a kid's menu:
> On 1/17/07 1:44 PM, "kenneth marken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hmm, i seems to be getting a bit of flak about this on osnews when it
> > comes how bulky the phone can be. err, do people ex
David Schlesinger wrote:
On 1/17/07 1:44 PM, "kenneth marken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hmm, i seems to be getting a bit of flak about this on osnews when it
comes how bulky the phone can be. err, do people expect long lasting
wifi from something with the bulk of a samsung ultraslim slider?
W
On 1/17/07 1:44 PM, "kenneth marken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hmm, i seems to be getting a bit of flak about this on osnews when it
> comes how bulky the phone can be. err, do people expect long lasting
> wifi from something with the bulk of a samsung ultraslim slider?
We enjoyed the WiFi s
Eric van Horssen wrote:
kenneth marken wrote:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/ipaq_sleeves.htm
specifically check out the "compaq pc card expansion sleeve plus".
its a pc card (pcmcia iirc) addon that would allow the user to add
anything, including wifi cards and similar.
The sleeve co
Derek Pressnall wrote:
> One of my favorite alternative inputs is a system callec QuickWriting
> (I've also seen it called qwikscript, qwikscroll, etc). The concept
> is that you have the alphabet aranged in groups along a circle, where
> the circle is divided into eight sections. Each section co
kenneth marken wrote:
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/ipaq_sleeves.htm
specifically check out the "compaq pc card expansion sleeve plus".
its a pc card (pcmcia iirc) addon that would allow the user to add
anything, including wifi cards and similar.
The sleeve could be attached to the US
Marcel de Jong wrote:
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Paul Bohme wrote:
Mike wrote:
Marcel de Jong wrote:
ps.
I really don't like the fact that 'reply' doesn't work on this
mailinglist. I have to add the mailaddress myself. (this is the only
mailinglist that I know, that does th
ke, 2007-01-17 kello 17:48 +0100, Harald Welte kirjoitti:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xdpyinfo
[...]
> XVideo
This peaked my curiosity; does Neo's display hardware support scaling
and/or colorspace conversion independent of the main CPU? Would help
with video applications...
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Harald Welte writes:
>
>Thanks, it is already in our bugzilla (who will become public
>eventually, wait for the announcement on friday on that)
Announcement Friday? Waiting with bated breath...
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 06:00:58PM +0100, Koen Kooi wrote:
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> Harald Welte schreef:
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> > dimensions:480x640 pixels (163x217 millimeters)
> > resolution:75x75 dots per inch
>
> Your /etc/X11/Xserver is broken, add '-dpi 280' to your
On 1/17/07 8:53 AM, "Robert Michel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> PS: But is this cloning legal?
It's certainly a crime to clone someone's SIM in an effort to defraud them.
I'll bet that, under any circumstances, it's a violation of your carrier's
terms of service.
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> dimensions:480x640 pixels (163x217 millimeters)
> resolution:75x75 dots per inch
Your /etc/X11/Xserver is broken, add '-dpi 280' to your $ARGS
regards,
Koen
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 12:20:05PM +0100, Robert Michel wrote:
> Salve Ole, *!
>
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, Ole Tange wrote:
> > If the microSD is pinwise compatible with SD, would it be possible to:
> >
> > * take out the battery
> > * attach the battery using wires
>
> If the Neo1973 could run onl
Salve Ole!
Robert Michel schrieb am Dienstag, den 16. Januar 2007 um 18:16h:
> > Why will a cloned SIM not work for you? See:
> I didn't know that it is possible to clone a SIM.
> I thought they are crypto-chips and have a hidden
> key.
>
> > http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-CLONE
> needs also
> http:/
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 04:05:55PM +0100, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote:
> > And which X11 extensions?
>
> My prototype isn't running atm., but I will get back to you with the output
> of xdpyinfo tomorrow.
see attachment
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On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:36:48AM +0100, Imre Kaloz wrote:
> could you tell us if the microsd slot is SDIO capable? I'm pretty sure
> some vendors could do a microsd-wifi based on the new Atheros 6000 series
> - and those have fully open drivers as well ;)
the S3C2410 SD card controller is
Derek Pressnall wrote:
One of my favorite alternative inputs is a system callec QuickWriting
(I've also seen it called qwikscript, qwikscroll, etc). The concept
is that you have the alphabet aranged in groups along a circle, where
the circle is divided into eight sections. Each section contains
Justyn Butler wrote:
Why not modify a normal screen protector to have raised bumps in a
keyboard layout, but leave the whole thing transparent. A screen
protector is just a piece of plastic film with adhesive round the edges.
The protector will live on the screen all the time and you could
pro
One of my favorite alternative inputs is a system callec QuickWriting
(I've also seen it called qwikscript, qwikscroll, etc). The concept
is that you have the alphabet aranged in groups along a circle, where
the circle is divided into eight sections. Each section contains 5
characters. To selec
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Just a question: will the OpenMoko come with FB and/or X11?
The default environment uses X11 -- in fact, Xfbdev, which is an X11
server using the Linux framebuffer.
> And which X11 extensions?
My prototype isn't running atm., but I will get back to you with the
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller writes:
>Just a question: will the OpenMoko come with FB and/or X11?
According to the Amsterdam presentation, X11.
http://www.openmoko.com/files/OpenMoko_Amsterdam.pdf
Also, according to something someplace where I can't find it at the
moment, GTK+.
>And which X11 extens
> > mailing/calendar/todo etc applications, anybody have an idea?
>
> As a guess it will include the GPE apps for this? *wonder*
That would be nice, but I have not seen any mysterious contributors
lately to the codebase so I doubt it (unless they want to keep their
patches, etc. outside mainstrea
On 1/17/07, Stuart Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As a games programming student I see alot of potential for games on the
touchscreen phones. Although there are no buttons (or none we can really
use for the games)
Assuming that the placement of the two buttons is suitable.. unless
they both h
As a games programming student I see alot of potential for games on the
touchscreen phones. Although there are no buttons (or none we can really use
for the games) I still see a number of possibilities.
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/dice/dice.html
that is a simple game I want to see on the open
* Eildert Groeneveld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070116 19:59]:
> Hello folks
>
> the thaught to run vi on the command line on a cell phone really has
> something...
>
> but on a somewhat more serious note: what is known about the
> mailing/calendar/todo etc applications, anybody have an idea?
As a g
>Who knows, perhaps the software will bridge wifi->bluetooth as a feature
>and selling point by the time it's released. It makes sense to me, they've
>got everything they need right there. As long as their phone supports the
>PAN bluetooth profile (or maybe even just DUN), plenty of
http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/ipaq_sleeves.htm
specifically check out the "compaq pc card expansion sleeve plus".
its a pc card (pcmcia iirc) addon that would allow the user to add
anything, including wifi cards and similar.
sure it will add bulk to the phone, but the flexibility that
On 1/15/07, Alessandro Iurlano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1/13/07, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 1/12/07 9:26 AM, "Heilpern, Mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I can only speculate, but I would expect a JTAG port to be made
> available --
> > probably on the phone
but does it come with X11 and FB and with which X11 extensions?
The second document is great but it just mentiones libX11 and X11
Applications in the graphics on page 15 as sort of an option.
Nikolaus
Am 17.01.2007 um 09:40 schrieb Koen Kooi:
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some questions about using a stylus with the Neo1973:
Is the Neo1973 designed to be used with a stylus? Is there a place inside
the phone to store a stylus? Will there be handwriting recognition software
available at launch or shortly thereafter?
-Sven
Yes, but this could probably be best solved by adding some scripting
language to the phone, because this style of thing
*) is simple to do with say Python (I've got the reverse setup where a
jabber client on my Nokia interacts with a jabber bot on the internet)
*) is very specific to the user's n
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Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller schreef:
> Just a question: will the OpenMoko come with FB and/or X11?
As a general note to the mailinglist: All official info is available from
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
As a note to people wondering about the
* Craig St Jean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070117 06:39]:
> Hello,
> Just wondering, does that mean its EVDO? Or something else? I have Cingular,
> which supports I believe only EDGE (2G and 2.5G?) and 3G. Could someone
> please expand on the "2.5G NOT
Nope, it means GPRS. btw, the Neo is a GSM quad-ba
Just a question: will the OpenMoko come with FB and/or X11?
And which X11 extensions?
Nikolaus Schaller
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Jason Elwell wrote:
On 1/16/07, Ben Fleming-Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"Sean Moss-Pultz, the project's architect, expects the first samples of
OpenMoko hardware to ship in March 2007."
www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/01/15/open_phone/
Surely just a mis-printright?
Well,
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