Jay Vaughan wrote:
>> Michael Welter writes:
>>> So, who are they going to sue???
>> Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
>> it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
>> result.
>>
>
> Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the Graffiti t
I think David went about it as well as he could.. although I feel by using
"Graffiti-like" Nkoli did not breach trademark rights, just used it as an
example. We do need to come up with another name in the near future,
because we cannot release software called Graffiti.
I know most of us are compl
On Jul 30, 2007, at 4:28 AM, Mark Arvidson wrote:
Freeing the phone to be a platform, not just a crude, limited tool
is where this project needs to go. It may seem like a slow couple
of years before this really infects our entire culture, but I think
it's inevitable now.
For example, I
Michael Welter writes:
So, who are they going to sue???
Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
result.
Ah cripes, who freaking *CARES* about the Graffiti trademark .. can't
you just overlook
On 7/29/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I don't think your finger will slide around the screen easily enough
> to make it work. Even if it does it will leave lots of smears on the
> screen. Also I don't see that typing is any slower than graffiti if
> the keyboard is well designed.
Nkoli writes:
>
>Quikwriting's different-but-easier alphabet implementation is quite
>interesting and may be the best way to get good handwriting recognition. I
>was thinking handwriting recognition that can be used with fingers because
>of all the interest in finger based apps, since most people w
On 7/29/07, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michael Welter writes:
> >So, who are they going to sue???
>
> Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
> it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
> result.
Interface would be Graffi
I disagree. I see smartphones on nearly everybody. Today, I was at a
party, and nearly everyone there had smartphones. Mommies, engineers and
teachers.
The key is to make the system easy to use for wide acceptance. Look at the
iPod. Stoopid easy to use, but very, very popular. The iPhone tak
>So, who are they going to sue???
Nobody. Having a trademark means defending it in instances where it's
used in ways that the holder didn't intend, and I've pointed out that
this _is_ one of those instances. I don't intend to continue pointing it
out if people persist, but I think I've done my par
Esben
> How?. As long as you only transport audio from the microphone to the
> gsmd, you're screwed without real time transport
that isn't the best example since the gsm module is hardwired to the
codec which is wired to the mic. This audio path doesn't touch the
cpu.
There are still be some nee
Michael Welter writes:
>So, who are they going to sue???
Who said anything about a lawsuit? It is their trademark; stepping on
it would be really rude, no matter who they decided to go after as a
result.
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On 30 Jul 2007, at 01:38, David Lefty Schlesinger wrote:
Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered
trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want
to find some alternate terminology.
Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job...
It's a dicti
"David \"Lefty\" Schlesinger" writes:
>Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered
>trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want to
>find some alternate terminology.
>
>Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job...
Much as I've liked Graffiti on my Pa
So, who are they going to sue???
Giles Jones wrote:
On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:49, Nkoli wrote:
So, there I was pretending my phone has a touchscreen while I wait for
GTA02 when this idea popped into my head for a keyboard alternative. I
would very much like to hear thoughts. The design would rem
> Anyway, I am thinking there might be many uses for speed-based
> settings--enough to justify a speed-based 'cron' like utility? Perhaps...
Yeah, you could generalize "run-things-when" to
time - cron
ground-speed - this thing
place - location-based-services
This suggests that altitude mi
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 03:07:44PM -0400, Kyle Bassett wrote:
> Harald,
>
> I am curious, what do you estimate the cost (as a percentage or dollar
> amount) that the GTA02 board "kit" would run compared to the expected $450
> base price? I do prefer your idea about selling the GTA01Bv4 instead of
Graffiti (as it pertains to handwriting systems) is a registered
trademark of ACCESS Systems Americas, not a generic term; you want to
find some alternate terminology.
Sorry, gotta point it out, it's part of my job...
Nkoli wrote:
> So, there I was pretending my phone has a touchscreen while I wa
On 30 Jul 2007, at 00:49, Nkoli wrote:
So, there I was pretending my phone has a touchscreen while I wait
for GTA02 when this idea popped into my head for a keyboard
alternative. I would very much like to hear thoughts. The design
would remove the onscreen keyboard completely and replace i
So, there I was pretending my phone has a touchscreen while I wait for GTA02
when this idea popped into my head for a keyboard alternative. I would very
much like to hear thoughts. The design would remove the onscreen keyboard
completely and replace it with a Graffiti-like interface that can recogn
Jeff Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Actually it depends on how much mixing you're doing.
How?. As long as you only transport audio from the microphone to the
gsmd, you're screwed without real time transport.
> At the hardware interface they are using ALSA.
Yeah, same as pulseaudio, but it
On 29 Jul 2007, at 22:58, Lars Hallberg wrote:
One important point is reputation. If openmoko is known to be a
geek phone no one else will get interested in it.
And exactly that will happen if it is pushed to the masses while
not really good enough for the masses. Personally I think we
Sébastien Lorquet skrev:
(This is a suite to laforge's message on gsmd-devel)
hello,
I'm a little disappointed about laforge's message :(
Made me happy... I'm been a little worried by the expectation to sell
100 of thousand or even millions of units from the start. If they happy
with geek s
fwiw
there's an item in the wishlist for 3g
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#Faster.2Fbetter_mobile_connectivity.
I doubt it has been edited by anyone with any inside info though. EDGE
really should be a no-brainer but UMTS/HSDPA will likely have to be
pulled off in two or thre
On 7/29/07, Giles Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe you would be better with a Linux PDA with CF slot? since you
> could get one now and start using it.
Actually this idea wasn't for me (I've got a GSM account -- t-mobile),
just thinking of ways to make a neo available to more users.
Also,
2007/7/29, Joe Pfeiffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Krzysztof Kajkowski writes:
> >Ugh! Mine is stopped for two days now in Louisville, KY and it waits
> >for something (don't know what)... I'm in Poland.
>
> Actually stopped in Louisville, or in transit to Louisville?
LOUISVILLE,
KY, US 07/27/2007
I see no mention of GTA03 (2.5G/EDGE?), GTX01/02 (3G?) on the official
wiki anymore.
http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter&redirect=no#Other_future_devices
Another:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8
I would rather take Quadband EDGE and UMA hardware over 3G as it i
Anyone seeing a USB/CF solution? eh?
On 7/29/07, Derek Pressnall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I was thinking of an idea for those who only have the option to use a
> non-gsm phone (i.e., US-based Sprint/Verizon customers). These
> carriers will only activate devices they sell, but there is a w
Krzysztof Kajkowski writes:
>Ugh! Mine is stopped for two days now in Louisville, KY and it waits
>for something (don't know what)... I'm in Poland.
Actually stopped in Louisville, or in transit to Louisville?
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On 29 Jul 2007, at 20:50, Derek Pressnall wrote:
I was thinking of an idea for those who only have the option to use a
non-gsm phone (i.e., US-based Sprint/Verizon customers). These
carriers will only activate devices they sell, but there is a way
around it. Most of them market a compact-flas
I was thinking of an idea for those who only have the option to use a
non-gsm phone (i.e., US-based Sprint/Verizon customers). These
carriers will only activate devices they sell, but there is a way
around it. Most of them market a compact-flash data card which also
has voice capabilitie, intende
...the reason being is that the retail base kit comes with more than just
the phone (battery, headset, cards, etc.). If all the other factors were
eliminated, what would the final cost be?
I don't believe it being as simple as $450-50.
On 7/29/07, Kyle Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I r
I read what Harald wrote, I wanted to know a few more details than just the
base price minus the cost of the screen...
thanks
On 7/29/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Harald wrote:
>
> > So you probably wouldn't save more than USD 50 (maximum) that way.
> > And
> > for
Mark,
I love the idea! And maybe a feature like dumping the call to a BT headset
device if present. I am curious, I assume there would be a config option or
something, because how would it tell if you are the driver? A preference
per contact could be used as well. ie. I don't mind if my famil
Harald wrote:
So you probably wouldn't save more than USD 50 (maximum) that way.
And
for that, you have all the risk of some assembly problem?
So, 450 - 50 USD = 400 USD for a kit...
Am 29.07.2007 um 21:07 schrieb Kyle Bassett:
I am curious, what do you estimate the cost (as a percentage
What are the current plans for 3G for the Neo? I'm curious about the ETA
of a 3G model, as well as a potential upgrade path to 3G for a 2.5G Neo.
Concerning the arrival of 3G hardware:
I found a couple of references that claim that the Neo will have 3G in
2008. Can anyone substantiate these claims
Harald,
I am curious, what do you estimate the cost (as a percentage or dollar
amount) that the GTA02 board "kit" would run compared to the expected $450
base price? I do prefer your idea about selling the GTA01Bv4 instead of
upgrading...some people would just rather do it themselves...bragging
r
Ugh! Mine is stopped for two days now in Louisville, KY and it waits
for something (don't know what)... I'm in Poland.
cayco
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Thomas Gstädtner wrote:
The same here, should be the same way.
26. picked up, 28. arrived in cologne, 30. arrival at dest.
The same for Italy: waiting for clearance, expected in Rome by
tuesday... ;-)
Keeping fingers crossed...
--
Stefano Sanna - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Personal web site: http
The same here, should be the same way.
26. picked up, 28. arrived in cologne, 30. arrival at dest.
2007/7/28, Alex Riesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> #2001: shipped to Germany (and according to UPS is awaiting customs
> clearance)! Seem to have taken only 2 days: 27 left US, 28 july was in
> Germany,
So does this mean Cingualr is moving to proprietary SIMS?
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In order to tether my Mac laptop to my GSM RAZR, I had to download a
script from http://home2.btconnect.com/Taniwha/. The script was for
GPRS, but I noticed there was also a script for GSM analog. I assume
this modem connection would be between the phone and the base station,
so that probably
Many people (including I) have not been able to get the at&t 3g sim card
(the one with the "3g fireball") working in our neos. The older cingular
ones do work (they are "64K smart chip").
I have two cingular "64K smart chip" SIMs that won't work in the neo1973 (CME
10), but they both work in bot
Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Michael Welter wrote:
You're confusing GSM (Global Systems Mobile) with the gsm codec in
Asterisk.
I find that highly likely. I'm pretty new to Asterisk.
They have different meanings. The codecs used by your mobile phone
are not the same as the gsm codec in Asterisk
Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So you probably wouldn't save more than USD 50 (maximum) that way. And
> for that, you have all the risk of some assembly problem?
Not that I think it is a good expenditure of FIC's limited employee's
time at this point, but one thing to think about for
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 05:26:06PM +0200, Visti Andresen wrote:
> > > and inside the bad block table (BBT), I guess that the BBT isn't located
> > > inside the 4. partition and therefor not backed up?
> > > http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks#Bad_Block_Table_.28BBT.29
> >
> > well, tec
On Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:41:41 +0800
Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 02:46:24PM +0200, Visti Andresen wrote:
> > I'm probably going to receive my Neo next Monday (the joy).
>
> good luck.
>
> > The gpsd should be backed up by the procedure in:
> > http://wiki.open
Michael Welter wrote:
> You're confusing GSM (Global Systems Mobile) with the gsm codec in
> Asterisk.
I find that highly likely. I'm pretty new to Asterisk.
> They have different meanings. The codecs used by your mobile phone
> are not the same as the gsm codec in Asterisk.
But it does use some
You're confusing GSM (Global Systems Mobile) with the gsm codec in
Asterisk. They have different meanings. The codecs used by your mobile
phone are not the same as the gsm codec in Asterisk.
Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Ian Stirling wrote:
There are 2 D/A, 2 A/D flexibly routed, and one D/A that
On 07/29/2007 Jørgen P. Tjernø wrote:
> I'm not yet a P1 owner (it hasn't been shipped), but I've been trying
> to
> figure out what the GPS deal is. After talking to a few people on IRC,
> it seems that the following is the scenario (please correct me if I'm
> wrong):
>
> * There's a (binary, p
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Hi!
I'm not yet a P1 owner (it hasn't been shipped), but I've been trying to
figure out what the GPS deal is. After talking to a few people on IRC,
it seems that the following is the scenario (please correct me if I'm
wrong):
* There's a (binary, pr
su, 2007-07-29 kello 13:25 +0300, Shachar Shemesh kirjoitti:
> Why not just do:
> 1. Call arrives compressed with a GSM codec
> 2. Phone saves compressed stream to flash
>
> I really don't see why the A/D infrastructure needs to be involved in
> voice recording at all.
I does, because the GSM chi
Shachar Shemesh wrote:
Ian Stirling wrote:
There are 2 D/A, 2 A/D flexibly routed, and one D/A that is dedicated
to the earpiece.
About the only limitation is that you can't do things that would
require more IO sources than are available.
For example, playing stereo MP3, and acting as voicemai
Ian Stirling wrote:
>
> There are 2 D/A, 2 A/D flexibly routed, and one D/A that is dedicated
> to the earpiece.
>
> About the only limitation is that you can't do things that would
> require more IO sources than are available.
> For example, playing stereo MP3, and acting as voicemail/answerphone
Esben Stien wrote:
> "Brad Midgley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> tell us the big picture for what you want to do
>
> I want to be able to have real time low latency drop out free audio,
> which is not possible without jack.
>
> This is especially crucial for a phone or anything that deals wi
Dear Asbjørn,
Have you got an email with tracking number? I believe your Neo is
already on the way to your desk.
Jouston
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Steven ** wrote:
> Ok, no need to worry about non-upgradeability. You can update all the OS
> and apps on the Neo's with the standard USB cable it comes with (or
> possibly even over wifi or bluetooth even).
>
> I'm also pretty confident that they won't be delaying release of GTA02
> because of so
On Mon, Jul 09, 2007 at 10:12:47AM +0100, Cass, John P wrote:
> I have a question before I go ahead and order my Neo - there was an
> earlier discussion about the possibility of getting a GTA02 board in
> October so we can upgrade our Neos to 02 without having to buy a whole
> new phone (call it th
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