Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread Sebastian Hammerl
mmmh, i would like the extra, especially the pouch. but i also like to buy in germany because of the warranty etc. any statement from steve? Sebastian Flemming Richter Mikkelsen schrieb: On 4/26/08, Sebastian Hammerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only a dump question: when i buy from a

RE: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-27 Thread David Murrell
Wait a minute... /me backs up the metaphorical truck... Just _how_ accurate are these accelerometers? Are we talking the sorta half second delay with exagerated drunk movements required to operate the nintendo wii, or precise movements that can catch my cat doing the sideways wiggle in realtime

Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/27/08, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Are we talking the sorta half second delay with exagerated drunk movements required to operate the nintendo wii, or precise movements that can catch my cat doing the sideways wiggle in realtime before she jumps at something if I was to

Re: ARMv4 rating

2008-04-27 Thread thomasg
You all don't seem to get what Openmoko is. Openmoko is based on and built with OpenEmbedded, a buildsystem for embedded devices, source-based and strongly inspired by gentoo's portage. If Openmoko is vor armv4, armv5 or so on only depends on the settings for the image in bitbake. And yes, armv4

Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-27 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 09:58:45 +0200, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /me backs up the metaphorical truck... Just _how_ accurate are these accelerometers? * accelerometers detect the maneuver of the metaphorical truck -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275]

Re: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-27 Thread Ortwin Regel
What makes you think the Wii accellerometers are inaccurate? They feel pretty precise as far as I can tell... Ortwin On 4/27/08, David Murrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wait a minute... /me backs up the metaphorical truck... Just _how_ accurate are these accelerometers? Are we talking the

Re: research project topic

2008-04-27 Thread David Pottage
On Friday 25 April 2008, simarillion wrote: Hi community, I'm studying electrical engineering at Karlsruhe University in Germany and I nearly finished. Now I have to do a student research project and because I'm a big fan of the openmoko/freerunner project I want to combine this. I've got an

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread Vedran Alajbegović
hi, i'm confused a bit, will that freerunner include Debugboard too? On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Sebastian Hammerl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mmmh, i would like the extra, especially the pouch. but i also like to buy in germany because of the warranty etc. any statement from

RE: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-27 Thread steve
I think the specs on the accells are public. If you cant find on the wiki let me know. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Murrell Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:59 AM To: 'List for Openmoko community discussion' Subject: RE:

RE: OpenMoko Remote Controller (SoC)

2008-04-27 Thread steve
here is the spec on the accells http://www.st.com/stonline/products/literature/ds/12726.pdf google accelerometer applications. http://www.analog.com/en/cList/0,2880,764%255F%255F43,00.html is a good place to start. I'll dig up more later if you like -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 4/27/08, Vedran Alajbegović [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, i'm confused a bit, will that freerunner include Debugboard too? No. If you really need one, you will have to pay extra for it. Openmoko will sell the debug boards for 99 USD -- Please don't send me Word or PowerPoint attachments.

RE: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread steve
we are working on that, timelines and deadlines and costs. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sebastian Hammerl Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 11:50 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!! mmmh, i would like the

Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread Erland Lewin
In preparation for The Big Day, I have some questions about how the shipping from OpenMoko will work. How much does one package (with a single phone) weigh (approximately)? What will its dimensions be? There's been talk about a hub in Europe, has that idea been scrubbed? IF not, will it be in

Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-27 Thread Lowell Higley
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Lowell Higley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 5:58 AM, Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So please don't be offended but saying I don't like it and neither do my friends is totally irrelevant - come back when you've interviewed a hundred

GPS projects

2008-04-27 Thread simarillion
Is there already any project that tries to use the accelerometers to support the gps localisation for example in buildings or tunnels ?? Greets Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread Vedran Alajbegović
what about advanced kit http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-advanced-00-develkit.html ?? will they prepare something like this for new version? and is same devboard possible to buy somewhere else or it is also openmoko product..? On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 5:28 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread steve
Lots of questions. Let me see if I can help with some basics. We ship a 10 Pack to Fremont California. Dimensions are 435mm x 371mm x 119mm I think the weight is on the order of 3kilo. An individual box weighs 237 gm. The individual box is dimensioned thusly. 178mm x 104mm x

Re: GPS projects

2008-04-27 Thread Al Johnson
On Sunday 27 April 2008, simarillion wrote: Is there already any project that tries to use the accelerometers to support the gps localisation for example in buildings or tunnels ?? It has been considered, but isn't practical. You should be able to find some extensive discussions of the details

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I'm a little confused. Are you saying to order 1 phone to the US we will have to pay $70 for shipping? That is so expensive! We need to make sure everyone is aware of this, because we must order the 10 packs. I have posted for the Indiana / Kentucky 10 pack. So if we were to order a 10 pack

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread Erland Lewin
Thanks for the quick answer, Steve. 2008/4/27 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]: just doing a quick check from UPS the shipment from the US [to Europe] for a single phone would be on the order of 70 USD For 10 phones the bulk is on the order of 160USD, which mean 16USD per customer. Could you offer

Re: GPS projects

2008-04-27 Thread Brad Midgley
Michael It's called dead reckoning and it's generally only useful with a fixed unit, eg mounted in a car. Even better if it has telemetry from the speedometer. Brad On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:45 AM, simarillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there already any project that tries to use the

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Thanks so much for the clarification -- I guess I missed that! So it sounds like the $399 includes shipping to Freemont, CA? We're responsible for shipping from there? And how appropriate that the openmoko neo freerunner goes to Freemont! I am so excited about this phone I just can't stand

Re: GPS projects

2008-04-27 Thread simarillion
Thanks for your replies Best Regards, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

RE: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-27 Thread steve
Lowell, You can send me a personal mail and I will address your concerns. You are a valuable asset in the community and I value your opinion. Then you can feed that back to people, agreeing or disagreeing as you see fit. I'd rather take this offline with you, since the main focus

RE: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread steve
The debug board is separately priced _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vedran Alajbegovic Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 10:59 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!! what about advanced kit

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread Erland Lewin
I thought about it some more, and USD 16/phone for a bulk order isn't enough to make a fuss about (I assume that's insured). But I think OpenMoko would sell more phones if you could offer shipping for $19 instead of $70 (a big difference for an item costing $400) for single phones. When the phone

RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread steve
I’m was speaking of US to EU. I can go Guesstimate US to US for you, via UPS or you can. Just take the dimensions and weights I gave you. Go to UPS, enter the data. Fremont CA is the shipper. and you will get a good GUESS at it. For CA to Tennessee the single phone, can be

RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread steve
Thanks Erland, The Fremont hub is close to my house, So as the phones come in I'll be there for the grand arrival. As for the shipping details I believe they are contracted with UPS, but I will check on that. Last time I talked to them, they were. _ From: [EMAIL

RE: GPS projects

2008-04-27 Thread steve
Let me point you here. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Midgley Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:19 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: GPS projects

RE: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread steve
no worries, thanks for being attuned to the co-incidental association between freemont and freerunner. Some day maybe I'll explain how the freerunner name came to me. Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration. Steve _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Openmoko at EuroPython 2008?

2008-04-27 Thread Paul Boddie
I have been following the Openmoko project ever since the project went public, and have for some time been wanting to get more involved in experimenting with the software (and eventually the hardware), but this is my first message to any of the mailing lists. I'm a Python developer and a

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

2008-04-27 Thread Kristian 'kriss' Mueller
Hi Christoph Am Donnerstag, den 24.04.2008, 11:19 +0200 schrieb Christoph Witzany: As I understood Video playback will be virtually impossible on the freerunner, at least from the sd card (which is the only sensible location to store videos on the neo ftm). I did some testing on that with

Italy User Group

2008-04-27 Thread Pedro Aguilar
Hi, I've seen several large local groups in Europe, but not in Italy. I would like to see a large Italian local group and create a 10 pack Sales Group for the Freerunner. Anyone joining the Italian Group? We'd just need 9 more :) Regards, -- Pedro Aguilar

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

2008-04-27 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Well, after doing a few tests, (mainly thanks to ahven and SpeedEvil on IRC), the Neo can handle a 160x128 H264 (with CABAC) encoded video at 40kbps with a 12kbps audio track. The fun comes in with the scaling. Scaling to 320x240 with no frame dropping is possible if I encode the video as baseline

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

2008-04-27 Thread Federico Lorenzi
Well, after doing a few tests, (mainly thanks to ahven and SpeedEvil on IRC), the Neo can handle a 160x128 H264 (with CABAC) encoded video at 40kbps with a 12kbps audio track. The fun comes in with the scaling. Scaling to 320x240 with no frame dropping is possible if I encode the video as baseline

Re: Italy User Group

2008-04-27 Thread robin paulson
Pedro Aguilar wrote: I've seen several large local groups in Europe, but not in Italy. I would like to see a large Italian local group and create a 10 pack Sales Group for the Freerunner. Anyone joining the Italian Group? We'd just need 9 more :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Italy

Re: Italy User Group

2008-04-27 Thread Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano
Pedro Aguilar ha scritto: Hi, I've seen several large local groups in Europe, but not in Italy. I would like to see a large Italian local group and create a 10 pack Sales Group for the Freerunner. Anyone joining the Italian Group? We'd just need 9 more :) Regards, ?? hey look at the wiki :D

Re: Openmoko at EuroPython 2008?

2008-04-27 Thread clare
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008, Paul Boddie wrote: I was wondering whether any developers in the Openmoko community had considered submitting a talk for EuroPython 2008, particularly those using Python as a development language. Previous EuroPython conferences have Hi Paul, Could you get these people?

Re: Italy User Group

2008-04-27 Thread Pedro Aguilar
Hi, Sorry, I missed that page... Has anyone started organizing a 10 pack order? May be one in Milan and another one in Veneto? Even if it's only in Milan I would still be interested :) Bye, -- Pedro Aguilar On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 00:53 +0200, Pietro m0nt0 Montorfano wrote: Pedro Aguilar ha

group sales: San Francisco Bay Area

2008-04-27 Thread Ajit Natarajan
Hello, I've started a new group sale list for the San Francisco Bay Area (California, U.S.). This area includes the Fremont hub. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#San_Francisco_Bay_Area Thanks. Ajit ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

2008-04-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:48:53 + Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Well, after doing a few tests, (mainly thanks to ahven and SpeedEvil on IRC), the Neo can handle a 160x128 H264 (with CABAC) encoded video at 40kbps with a 12kbps audio track. The fun comes in with the scaling.

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-27 Thread Ryan Prior
A synopsis: Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven. Steve: Please talk to me about it privately. WTF? On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 2:48 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lowell, You can send me a personal mail and I will address your concerns. You are a valuable asset in the

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-27 Thread Ian Darwin
Ryan Prior wrote: A synopsis: Lowell: Let's make this project community-driven. Steve: Please talk to me about it privately. WTF? Perhaps you didn't read this part: I'd rather take this offline with you, since the main focus here [meaning, on this discussion list, at this time]

Re: Italy User Group

2008-04-27 Thread ramsesoriginal
I am organizing one in South Tyrol. I want just to check all the person who said they want one (more then twenty), and then look how many more we need to come to a complete set of k*10 Neos. Probably i'll also buy something like 7 or 8 neos for my own to write custome software to then resell to

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

2008-04-27 Thread ramsesoriginal
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:42 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:48:53 + Federico Lorenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Well, after doing a few tests, (mainly thanks to ahven and SpeedEvil on IRC), the Neo can handle a 160x128 H264 (with

Re: Engineering Driven vs. Community Driven (was Re: Ugliness)

2008-04-27 Thread Ryan Prior
The community list is for getting phones into peoples' hands? Where has the actual community discussion gone, then? If there is need for a special purpose list to get phones into peoples' hands, it would not be hard to create one. Besides, it's not hard to share mailing list bandwidth between

Re: Video Playback virtually impossible on Neo Freerunner? (Re: Video of Qt 4.4 on Neo1973: brings iPhone like graphics)

2008-04-27 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:09:51 +0200 ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I'm not an expert, so maybe this question is silly, but it just popped to my mind: using mencod, couldn't you decode the video, store it in decoded form and then you have onyl to copy it? If this would be possible,

Re: Utah Group buy?

2008-04-27 Thread Knight Walker
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 14:54 -0600, Travis Tabbal wrote: Are there enough of us in Utah to bother? Maybe I can join the Denver group if not. :) Since there have been almost no replies, I'm guessing not, though this should probably be circulated around local LUG lists to see if extra interest

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread 大信
I'am have same question about pass the customer organized,what we need do that?___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

NZ Group order

2008-04-27 Thread Jeremy List
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robin Paulson robin.paulson at gmail.com Sat Apr 26 08:28:14 CEST 2008 2008/4/26 David Murrell dmurrell at waikato.ac.nz: do any of you know about the situation on frequencies in nz? i hear telecom and vodafone use different bands, 850 and 900

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread Flyin_bbb8
well mohamed hazem i'm also left alone with no one around i guess :p, in Doha-Qatar On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Mohamed Hazem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cairo, Egypt. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mohamed Hazem wrote: What about us the

Group sales: Riga/Latvia

2008-04-27 Thread Ilja O.
Hello. I've started group sales section for Riga/Latvia ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales#Latvia ). Please, join. Prove that I'm not alone. Cheers. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread Michael Shiloh
I'm going to talk to Steve and see if there isn't some way to combine some of you into one order. Is it easier to ship electronic goods from one of your country to the other, with regards to import duty etc.? What about Jordan? Michael Flyin_bbb8 wrote: well mohamed hazem i'm also left

Re: 10 PACK UPDATE!!!

2008-04-27 Thread Flyin_bbb8
i'm not very sure but i think that it's no easy shipping from one of our countries to the other in the middle east.. each country is separate 'n they don't like each other :p which makes things much harder.. i think straight shipment to the countries from Taiwan or wherever would better.. but i

Re: Shipping questions, customer organized distribution in Europe

2008-04-27 Thread Werner Almesberger
steve wrote: Werner doesn't even know he was the inspiration. Oh, *now* I'm curious :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Will the Neo FreeRunner have a hold switch?

2008-04-27 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
Hey all I just wonder if the Neo will have a hold switch. A switch that locks the screen. Alexander Frøyseth ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community