Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are free to fix it up with your perfect English intuition.

Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-02 Thread joerg
Am Fr 2. Mai 2008 schrieb Carsten Haitzler: On Thu, 1 May 2008 13:35:24 -0400 Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think it's a little ridiculous to leave it when at least she takes the initiative to do something. Sure - Brenda does not speak English as a native language. You are

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread Thomas Wood
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 07:02 +0200, Joachim Steiger wrote: i do not really get what you mean by labels. when buildhost successfully finished a build there is a new image. else, there is not. if it cannot compile all dependencies then it logically cannot package it. i think i know what you

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread BrendaWang
There are some documentation you can find on wiki. Here is the links. OpenEmbeded is used to make the distribution. BitBake is the useful command of OE, and being used to build and maintain a number of embedded Linux distributions. You can use this. Now, we mainly use this.

Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread Kalle Happonen
I've actually thought about the stylus issue, and it's a small shame that there isn't storage for the stylus within the freerunner itself. One idea would be to make a magnetic flat stylys that should attach itself to the back of the Freerunner? Its profile could be be shaped like this |) with

Re: Italy User Group

2008-05-02 Thread Andrea Debortoli
52 people from Italy!!! come on guys!! we need to reach at least 10 people registration from Veneto! I'm wondering what are university students waiting for...:/ 2008/4/29 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andrea Debortoli wrote: I've already done this on www.neo1973.it

Re: Shipping Specs for Freerunner (Was: Group Sales: U.S. Midwest area)

2008-05-02 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
Thank you Kevin! That is really good news... So by setting up a Midwest group we're really just making freerunner friends near by! Well that sounds great. So I guess the best reason for a local 10 pack is being able to all meet and open up the box and not wait for it to be shipped again. Well

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread Bobby Martin
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bobby Martin wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there is buildhost.openmoko.org http://buildhost.openmoko.org which builds

Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread Nicanor Babula
I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current might damage or disturb the phone itself. Instead of attaching the

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
This is all good and well, however there's one inherently problematic issue to consider here. Continuous integration is very good and very possible (and we need and will to use it to improve quality), however where it really shines is, when the complete stack is under your control.

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread Joachim Steiger
Bobby Martin wrote: What I mean by a label (sometimes called a tag) is that your build process uses your revision control systems' commands to apply a label to all files before the build process starts. In svn, you use the svn copy command to tag files, like so: svn copy

connecting external cd writer

2008-05-02 Thread vbscript
Dear All, Is it possible to connect an external CD-Writer to the Neo FreeRunner ? Does OpenMoko contain a burning software ? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be ___ Openmoko community mailing

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread Joachim Steiger
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: This is all good and well, however there's one inherently problematic issue to consider here. Continuous integration is very good and very possible (and we need and will to use it to improve quality), however where it really shines is, when the complete stack

Re: connecting external cd writer

2008-05-02 Thread christopher bradski
Connecting it may be possible, though, the max burning speed would probably be under 8x... It would all depend on the usb chip used. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 18:15:27 To:community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: connecting

Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread Hans L
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic field (freerunner's circuits included). This current

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread Bobby Martin
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Joachim Steiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: This is all good and well, however there's one inherently problematic issue to consider here. Continuous integration is very good and very possible (and we need and will to use it to

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread Joachim Steiger
I haven't been on a project where we pulled a significant amount of code from repositories not under our control, and I agree that changes things slightly. It seems to me that it's more reason, not less, for CI, though. (Really, I think you're already on the same track...) atleast for QA

Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread Kim Alvefur
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 09:56 -0500, Hans L wrote: On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that a magnetic stylus would be such a good idea, because any movement of the pen would create a current into every conductor existing in its magnetic

Re: Is svn.openmoko.org unstable?

2008-05-02 Thread Julian
Thomas Jensen 提到: fre, 02 05 2008 kl. 05:48 +0200, skrev Joachim Steiger: Today I got my other computer back from service, and with that one I had no problems getting the files. If I get troubles again I will try the https:// trick. I have a running openmoko qemu, next step is to learn to

RE: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-02 Thread steve
I will be editing the front page of the wiki in due course to bring it in line with the .com. Brenda's main focus has always been on REORGANIZING the content. Once she is done, I will wordsmith it. I just got access a couple days ago. Most of my focus has been on the .com site and writing some

RE: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-02 Thread steve
In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from the .com. PS, Raster is right. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: youtube freerunner vid is up

2008-05-02 Thread steve
Oh they should! They should take it and redo parts, expand, improve or replace entirely. Open Marketing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:06 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion

RE: When begin sales the freerunner?

2008-05-02 Thread steve
yes you can buy it in the US. I will update the production status over the weekend! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of luther Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:07 PM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: When begin sales the freerunner?

Re: Request for stable, automated build process

2008-05-02 Thread Holger Freyther
On Thursday 01 May 2008 18:01:38 Bobby Martin wrote: I sent this before to openmoko-devel and was greeted with a deafening silence, so I'm resending to a broader audience. As evidenced by a recent post to openmoko-devel by saurabh gupta, one of the GSoC selectees, this really is a problem.

Re: Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread Nicanor Babula
I am not an electrical engineer either (I'm a highschool student) and I think that it's more important to get the phone ready than problems like where the stylus will be attached?. In the end the freerunner will be a developer and not an end user phone. Besides I don't know how much the

RE: Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread steve
Nicanor, We were all high school students, and not all of us were EE. So your opinion counts, and yes I read it. I spent a good deal of time today fiddling with different stylus ideas. ON one hand we do not want to burden the design ( The ID or the software ) with a requirement to use a stylus.

Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 2 May 2008 14:25:18 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: seems ok to me, though a little long :) but that's how it has been for a while. :) In any case I did a quick copy edit of the front page. Have a look, I will probably polish it some more later on and add some of my writing from

Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:38:40 +0200 Nicanor Babula [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: we can't consider them - you're right. freerunner is done. we can't go add magnets to hold a stylus or anything else. there is nothing we can do to change the freerunner (gta02) hardware or case or anything at this

RE: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-02 Thread steve
Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand trimming kudzu) and I told wolfgang I would do my marketing thing on the front page. I will of course make some suggestions on organization and structure ( you know me raster ) but

Re: Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Hans L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not an electrical engineer, but I think that the voltage/current produced from such a magnet would be negligible. But, even assuming that it would not be harmful, isn't the case made of plastic? Is Well you could take

Re: .Mac like service

2008-05-02 Thread Fredrik Wendt
Christoph Witzany [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alexey Feldgendler schrieb: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my list starts with: [snip] * Allow backup and incremental synchronization of typical data items stored on mobile devices: [snip - lot's of stuff] I would very much like to

Re: Will Freerunner Be Available to Purchase in Australia ?

2008-05-02 Thread clare
Hi Alex, Response is better in Oz this time: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GroupSales up to 17 according to that. 3 already in Perth. I am weakening... regards, clare On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: 0n Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 08:06:38PM +1000, clare wrote:

RE: Re: Stylus Recommendation

2008-05-02 Thread steve
Lots of nice ideas. I like the groove idea, like the toothpick holder in a swiss army knife. I've been writing an article with the ID professor who took our CAD files and did a cool mod on them. I'll share people's ideas with him, and see what he thinks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-02 Thread clare
First Congratulations to Brenda, the Wiki is improving all the time. I thought she had an impossible task. I think the pages are well written, in good clear English. I notice that many people, on IRC for example, for whom English is a second language, are far more meticulous in their expression

Re: Our new Main page of wiki

2008-05-02 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:13:06 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: indeed - it's not bad. no complaints. just observation. :) we all have got lots of things to do... :) Yes, It is a bit long. And it always has been. Brenda is working the Structure of the site ( like Edward scissorshand

RE: Shipping Specs for Freerunner (Was: Group Sales: U.S. Midwestarea)

2008-05-02 Thread Robert Horton
What about the optional debug board? How does that affect these 10 packs and its savings? If you plan on getting a board and the phone does it still make sense to save on shipping for the phone but pay it for the board? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of