Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Armin ranjbar
Well , 2.6.27 released , i have noticed few Great feature that can help Openmoko device , * Kexec hibernation * Voltage and Current Regulator -- Armin ranjbar , System Administrator ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:35:37 +0330, Armin ranjbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well , 2.6.27 released , i have noticed few Great feature that can help Openmoko device , * Kexec hibernation * Voltage and Current Regulator Another very handy new 'feature': UVC and GSPCA webcam drivers are both

Re: [OM2008] Documentation for .kbd-files?

2008-10-11 Thread Chaosspawn23
AFAIK there's no docs about it, but it's quite easy... I suggest you starting editing the Default keyboard and as you can see there each key has a position (key x y) and the role of the key itself (normal, shift capslock). So for example a code like: key 5 0 10 10 normal q q

Re: Re: [FSO] latest upgrade disabled my phone

2008-10-11 Thread rhn
Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Data: 11 października 2008 7:47 Temat: Re: [FSO] latest upgrade disabled my phone Dear Rhn, I don't know what's wrong, but let me suggest that

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Florian Hackenberger
On Saturday 11 October 2008, Rod Whitby wrote: I'll answer this from the point of view of a development community manager. I think you already have a fine end-user community manager in Michael Shiloh. Thank you Rod, you posted all the ideas (and more) about the OM dev process, which were

Re: Accelerometer question

2008-10-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Remember the White Screen of Death? Yes, I vaugely recall something of the sort :-O Maybe OM inc guys need help with the X driver, but since it's not on their priority, suspend will hardly work reliably anytime

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Excellent point from Rod! I'm sure actions like this would boost the development to a completely new level! And having better software and rapid development means more satisfied users in the community as well, as soon as some minimal level (I'd say it's working phone in this case :) is reached.

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Armin ranjbar
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:29:39 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good , is there any milestone , todo on this ? how we can help ? By the way , why don't you include 'powertop' ? Hi - I spent a lot of time tracking upstream HEAD for several months, we do have development 2.6.27

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Bumbl
Armin ranjbar wrote: Well , 2.6.27 released , i have noticed few Great feature that can help Openmoko device , * Voltage and Current Regulator really? they included phc? fantastic one thing which would be good for openmoko too and which was included is that they included ubifs which is way

Re: Accelerometer question [preliminary report]

2008-10-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fox Mulder wrote: Andy Green wrote: The issue is what does idle mean. Suspend for Freerunner should last a week. Sitting there with CPU up even with backlight down is 60-90mA on battery, suspend is 5 - 10mA and that's why you get battery life

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Stroller
Blimey! Rod makes some GREAT points here - this email should probably be a standard reference document for OSS projects. When I got to the bottom read his credentials they seemed entirely congruent with his insights. I just want to add one little thing, and that's DON'T OVERLOOK THE

Re: [Om2008.9] How to export Vcf Contacts from FR?

2008-10-11 Thread Richy
Has anyone done this yet? I copied the sqlite file from FDOM, tried to import it (by copying to ~/Applications/Qtopia/) in QtopiaExtended and it shows how many contacts I have, but all of them are blank! So exporting to VCF and Importing it again would be quite nice! Richard

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Duv
I think that we might be at a point where this should be our first concern. How to lift the tide to all boats in the Moko pool. Management of the community is a great start, since what we currently have would be best described as disarray. My only concern here is that there seems to be a

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Norbert Hartl
Excellent posting!! This is a very good job description for someone like a community manager. Norbert ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: Re: [FSO] latest upgrade disabled my phone

2008-10-11 Thread Richy
You have to change: Application to Applications (note the s at the end) in your .desktop files. That should make them visible again. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:27 AM, rhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wiadomość Oryginalna Od: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do: List for Openmoko

Re: [OM2008] Documentation for .kbd-files?

2008-10-11 Thread Stroller
On 10 Oct 2008, at 19:38, Konstantin wrote: ... Is there any documentation available that describes the format of the .kbd-files the Illume-Keyboard uses? I'd like to build a german qwertz-layout (comes in handy for writing SMS ;) ), but don't quite understand the format of the

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Armin ranjbar wrote: Well , 2.6.27 released , i have noticed few Great feature that can help Openmoko device , * Kexec hibernation * Voltage and Current Regulator Hi - I spent a lot of time tracking upstream HEAD for several months, we do

Re: Accelerometer question

2008-10-11 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:16:12PM +0100, Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Remember the White Screen of Death? Yes, I vaugely recall something of the sort :-O Maybe OM inc guys need help with the X driver, but since it's

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Duv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only concern here is that there seems to be a separation between the developer and the user... that in the community both seem to have there little corner. Maybe I am reading that wrong, but if I am not... I am not too sure that

Re: LED notification

2008-10-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sam Kuper wrote: 2008/10/9 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Norton wrote: 2008/10/9 Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: the main cpu is suspended, like in the neo, but the

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Bumbl
Armin ranjbar wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:29:39 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good , is there any milestone , todo on this ? how we can help ? By the way , why don't you include 'powertop' ? Hi - I spent a lot of time tracking upstream HEAD for several months, we do

2/3: What people want Openmoko to do?

2008-10-11 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
I just was able to release the second part of the posts. For full version, see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/discussion-23-what-people-want-openmoko-to-do/ This is the part two of the post series discussing the status of the Openmoko community. The discussion is

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Armin ranjbar
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:22:54 +0200 Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe because afaik powertop is by intel and for x86 cpus only? humm ... is it ? since debian has Arm package for that , i thought its usable on arm -- Armin ranjbar , System Administrator

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread digger vermont
On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 05:35 -0700, Duv wrote: I think that we might be at a point where this should be our first concern. How to lift the tide to all boats in the Moko pool. Management of the community is a great start, since what we currently have would be best described as disarray. My

Re: 2/3: What people want Openmoko to do?

2008-10-11 Thread Aaron Sowry
On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 16:26 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: I just was able to release the second part of the posts. For full version, see http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/discussion-23-what-people-want-openmoko-to-do/ I, for one, would like to see the elimination

Re: LED notification

2008-10-11 Thread Sam Kuper
2008/10/11 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well you can simply wake and do event type actions like vibrate and flash LEDs then, the stimulus you are responding to like incoming call will be a CPU wake event so that lot will work. What can't be done (because of a completely Linux-centric POV in

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Florian Hackenberger
On Saturday 11 October 2008, Andy Green wrote: for daredevils this works with the U-Boot replacement Qi (image is ready for DFU into NAND bootloader) http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-andy_ab8665e9ac10a054.udfu sources: http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qi.git;a=summary Qi will boot from

Re: Accelerometer question

2008-10-11 Thread Florian Hackenberger
On Saturday 11 October 2008, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: I do have a feeling the WSoD is on the X driver... Reading a recent comment from the WSoD bug: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1841#comment:33 It may be an unexpected hardware problem (screen ASIC memory lost). Cheers,

Re: NetworkManager port

2008-10-11 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Christian Adams wrote: wicd on debian is functional but for me it eats up to much mem and often cpu .. since i found no mem-savy alternative i got back to manually ifup/ down wifi .. To use debian in a functional way (especially when I run midori or iceweasel) I had to use swap... So I've

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Armin ranjbar wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:22:54 +0200 Bumbl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe because afaik powertop is by intel and for x86 cpus only? humm ... is it ? since debian has Arm package for that , i thought its usable on arm Yes it is usable... I've tried it weeks ago and

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Florian Hackenberger wrote: On Saturday 11 October 2008, Andy Green wrote: for daredevils this works with the U-Boot replacement Qi (image is ready for DFU into NAND bootloader) http://people.openmoko.org/andy/qi-andy_ab8665e9ac10a054.udfu

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Peter Neubauer
Hi there, I fully agree with Rod! I would even go so far as to consider having a automatic registration system to get access to GIT, SVN, Wiki and all mailing lists in order to capture even the smallest contribution, regardless of if it is developer coding or correction of spelling errors in the

Re: LED notification

2008-10-11 Thread Jason Cawood
this is exactly what I was trying to get at. I just couldn't find the correct words to communicate this effectively. My reason is because if I suspend my phone then I walk away and return to it, I have no visible notification I missed an event unless I touch the screen and see if my phone is

[debian] impressions from fresh debian install today

2008-10-11 Thread joakim
Hello list, I've been running Debian on the Freerunner for a while. During this time I was not very friendly to the install and in the end I totaly destroyed my installation in unknown ways. Well, I just bought a new shine 8gb microsd card, and tried a fresh install and wrote down these

Re: Openmoko to shift to 2.6.27 kernel ?

2008-10-11 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:29:39 +0100, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi - I spent a lot of time tracking upstream HEAD for several months, we do have development 2.6.27 kernel based on upstream release 2.6.27. Not everything works yet but it's basically there. If you're interested to

Re: [debian] impressions from fresh debian install today

2008-10-11 Thread Michele Renda
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so What do libgtkstylus.so? Thank you Michele Renda ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: 2/3: What people want Openmoko to do?

2008-10-11 Thread justin daly
i, for one, would like to see more community cooperation rather than broadcast disparagement. much thanks go to you, risto, for your selfless contribution trying to unify the community arguments into a cohesive digestible format! may the merit of your generosity ever increase and contribute to

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Rod Whitby
Rod Whitby wrote: (Wolfgang told the Openmoko admins to give me svn and git access on the 22 Sept, and nothing has happened yet). I want to make a public retraction and apology on this point. It seems that access was granted sometime between then and now, but either I wasn't informed of that

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Rod Whitby
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: I also want to remind that community is not limited to the developers. It should also include all users that can be used to create marketing events and material, generate new ideas and test software and report bugs. I like to think of the distinction between users and

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Rod Whitby
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Duv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only concern here is that there seems to be a separation between the developer and the user... that in the community both seem to have there little corner. Maybe I am reading that wrong, but if I am not...

[Raster+FSO] Illume keyboard troubles

2008-10-11 Thread Joel Newkirk
At various times the past few days I've encountered a few repeating (but not yet consistently reproduceable) problems with the Illume keyboard. 1 - intermittently, when pressing a key in Terminal keyboard it will switch back to Default keyboard. Most often when this occurs I've pressed 'space',

Re: [debian] impressions from fresh debian install today

2008-10-11 Thread Paul
export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so What do libgtkstylus.so? 'and enabled rightclick emulation with export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so.' It seems to enable rightclick emulation... ;-) Paul -- The real menace in dealing with a five-year-old is that in no time at all you begin to

Re: [debian] impressions from fresh debian install today

2008-10-11 Thread joakim
Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so What do libgtkstylus.so? It enables rightclick emulation in GTK apps. You press the stylus a little while, and then a rightclick event is sent. There aare other ways of doing this, this is the

Re: [OM2008] Documentation for .kbd-files?

2008-10-11 Thread Charles-Henri Gros
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Konstantin wrote: Is there any documentation available that describes the format of the .kbd-files the Illume-Keyboard uses? I'd like to build a german qwertz-layout (comes in handy for writing SMS ;) ), but don't quite understand the format of the

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:35:12 +1030, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who has the mindset of this is broken, how can I fix it? is a developer. Anyone who has the mindset of this is broken, I expect it to be fixed by someone else right now! is a user. The community will have both

Re: [debian] impressions from fresh debian install today

2008-10-11 Thread Robin Paulson
2008/10/12 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: panel, and the matchbox wm. I also installed the gtkstylus lib, and enabled rightclick emulation with export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so. could someone explain what to do with this info, whereabouts do i put it? is it a bash command, or an option in a config file?

Re: [Om2008.9] How to export Vcf Contacts from FR?

2008-10-11 Thread Vasco Névoa
Paul wrote: Timo Jyrinki wrote: Does anyone know how to not only make a backup, but to export back to VCF format from Qtopia/Om2008.8? I now added a section for it at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Import_Vcf_Contacts - the 2007.2 section has a script that handles it. I wouldn't want to

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Lorn Potter
Rod Whitby wrote: Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Duv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only concern here is that there seems to be a separation between the developer and the user... that in the community both seem to have there little corner. Maybe I am reading that wrong,

[FSO] GPRS

2008-10-11 Thread Joel Newkirk
I successfully followed the process outlined at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPRS_FSO and got GPRS working through T-Mobile. (internet3.voicestream.com) (this is on Raster+FSO) But there's a few things... first up, the page states The implementation should not interfer with other phone

Re: Accelerometer question [preliminary report]

2008-10-11 Thread Fox Mulder
How can i test if it really goes into suspend or any other suspend-like mode? After i press the putton zhone says that it goes into suspend and nothing anymore reacts for input. Only when i press the power button again it comes back to life after 1-2 seconds. Is there a way to go into a deeper

Re: car charger

2008-10-11 Thread Michael Shiloh
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:09 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote: Ok, thanks... Would be interesting if by chance you could check between the ID pin and ground if you have a

Re: 2/3: What people want Openmoko to do?

2008-10-11 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
Whatever you do, there's always someone who doesn't like it. These comments sum to zero so I'll just let you know that the third and the last post has now been released to discuss one of the proposed solutions. Go and find it at planet.openmoko.org r ps.

Re: Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator

2008-10-11 Thread Michael Shiloh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have written other script for that LEDs some time ago, it's called ledd and it's indicating charging state and transferring data over wifi. http://openmoko.opendevice.org/~dos/ledd I added this to the Buttons and LEDs page:

Re: Fun using power button LEDs as battery indicator

2008-10-11 Thread Michael Shiloh
I added an FAQ with this question and pointed to the wiki page. Hopefully this will bring the LEDs to the attention of new users more easily. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#What_are_the_LEDs_on_the_Neo_FreeRunner_for.3F Nick Van Fossen wrote: Some of you probably knew this, but I just

Re: car charger

2008-10-11 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:38:20 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:09 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Garabana Barro wrote: On Friday 10 October 2008 12:50:57 Cédric Berger wrote: Ok, thanks... Would be interesting

Re: [Raster+FSO] Illume keyboard troubles

2008-10-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:12:40 -0400 Joel Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: At various times the past few days I've encountered a few repeating (but not yet consistently reproduceable) problems with the Illume keyboard. 1 - intermittently, when pressing a key in Terminal keyboard it will

Re: car charger

2008-10-11 Thread Michael Shiloh
Oye. Moving this thread to the kernel list. This seems very wrong to me. Michael Joel Newkirk wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 16:38:20 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:05:09 -0700, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Rod Whitby
Lorn Potter wrote: Rod Whitby wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't believe one single community manager can cross the divide between the developer and user mindsets that I spoke about in my reply to your earlier post. I disagree. I have been doing exactly that for the last 5 years. Trying to

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Rod Whitby
Joel Newkirk wrote: On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:35:12 +1030, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who has the mindset of this is broken, how can I fix it? is a developer. Anyone who has the mindset of this is broken, I expect it to be fixed by someone else right now! is a user. The

Re: 2/3: What people want Openmoko to do?

2008-10-11 Thread JW
Risto H. Kurppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Risto, I have lost count of the number of people who have said * i know linux * i can develop for the desktop * i have given up trying to develop for freerunner because the hurdles to development are too high I think Openmoko could employ someone to

Re: Accelerometer question [preliminary report]

2008-10-11 Thread Nishit Dave
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 4:47 AM, Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can i test if it really goes into suspend or any other suspend-like mode? After i press the putton zhone says that it goes into suspend and nothing anymore reacts for input. Only when i press the power button again it

Re: What should a community manager do?

2008-10-11 Thread Joel Newkirk
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:18:31 +1030, Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joel Newkirk wrote: WRT your final point, we already have the 'Support' mailinglist - my impression is that the intent of that list (not necessarily the actual usage though) is as a place for the 'user' to go when seeking

media player for debian

2008-10-11 Thread Robin Paulson
can anyone recommend a media player for debian on my freerunner? the important things i need are: *library management *usable with finger - no stylus *support for mp3 or ogg, would prefer ogg i'm using rhythmbox at the moment, but it's a complete hog cheers

Re: LED notification

2008-10-11 Thread Kishore
On Saturday 11 Oct 2008 7:25:38 pm Sam Kuper wrote: 2008/10/11 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well you can simply wake and do event type actions like vibrate and flash LEDs then, the stimulus you are responding to like incoming call will be a CPU wake event so that lot will work. What