Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Bob Ham
On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 21:32 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 03.10.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Bob Ham: I would note that the GTA04 is not a Free Hardware project. Yes that is correct. It is not Free Hardware in the strict FSF definition I don't think FSF has a definition of Free

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread joerg Reisenweber
On Fri 04 October 2013 19:48:19 Bob Ham wrote: You've previously said that the reason you refuse to release the hardware source files, making the device more open, is because you expect money in return. Are you now saying restricting access to the hardware source files is somehow a design

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham: On Thu, 2013-10-03 at 21:32 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 03.10.2013 um 20:09 schrieb Bob Ham: I would note that the GTA04 is not a Free Hardware project. Yes that is correct. It is not Free Hardware in the strict FSF definition I

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Bob Ham
On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 20:16 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham: I don't think FSF has a definition of Free Hardware. Possibly we're ascribing different meanings to the phrase. Yes they have one and even do a certification (which would not be

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I already told you that the hardware source files are open and public. I agree with Bob Ham on this. The source files are not public and even the PDFs are not open, they are licensed under a non-commercial license (CC-BY-NC-SA).

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 04.10.2013 um 21:26 schrieb Bob Ham: On Fri, 2013-10-04 at 20:16 +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 04.10.2013 um 19:48 schrieb Bob Ham: I don't think FSF has a definition of Free Hardware. Possibly we're ascribing different meanings to the phrase. Yes they have one and even

Re: Crowdfunding an Ubuntu smartphone (right now)

2013-10-04 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 05.10.2013 um 05:09 schrieb Paul Wise: On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: I already told you that the hardware source files are open and public. I agree with Bob Ham on this. The source files are not public and even the PDFs are not open, they are licensed