Or simply clutter...
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No direspect or anything but that's probably the dumbest tax I've ever heard
of.
Don't worry, French geeks are pissed off as well
Yeah, almost every tax talked about in this thread exists in France. But how
do we avoid the Neo to be taxable ?
As said, if you don't sell the phone with an
transmitters?
of course, this tech could be applied to any object that a person could
lose
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that it will be interessting
to have a look on the two and make some links with.
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Running e17 even as we speak.
Same here :)
Very big news, thank you, Sean and Raster !
Have fun
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It doesn't. It does one of the simpler MPEG-4 profiles, don't recall the
details. (One of the S-Media models does H.264, but no VGA.)
Can't really feel much pain for that, personally.
Personally i do a bit, since online video is moving towards ubiquitous
h264 (in Flash player for desktops, or
/Wishlist:LiveUSB_distro
Could a happy neo owner confirm on infirm the (im)possibility of usb
booting ? Any informations about USB mass storage mode (if
implemented) would be greatly appreciated as well.
Thanks,
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Fingerscroll foofone:
http://people.openmoko.org/jserv/graphics/video/
Wow. This is clutter running inside qemu... Anybody tried running it
in software rendering on a real device?
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I have a few ideas for a launcher, instead of a Start menu, have a
launcher application.
Imagine a cylinder you can rotate left and right, it would show 3
icons highlighted vertically and you would see other icons around the
cylinder, it would be 3D of course.You can also move thumb up and
://njpatel.blogspot.com/2007/03/im-not-even-supposed-to-be-here-today.html
* some nice clutter toys news:
http://njpatel.blogspot.com/2007/07/clutter-foo.html
Any benchmarking news ?
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Actually, I had used a tool called cvoicecontrol sometime back for exactly
that, running scripts or cmds using voice. It wasnt very powerful in terms
of how well it could recognize, but was functional enough.
http://www.kiecza.net/daniel/linux/
Unfortunately, cvoice control doesn't seem to
with
different lenses/specs), a *real* microphone, a vga output or a
mini-printer... Possibilities are endless to make the neo become the
next swiss knife :)
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On 7/24/07, David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Refering to Multitouch, any one have take a look at
MPX: The Multi-Pointer X Server
(http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/) seems to bee
what we are talking about.. and open-source. Any brave
dev try to compile it on the little machine?
Interesting blog post when you consider the custom cases possibility:
http://trevors-trinkets.blogspot.com/2007/07/five-finger-keyboards.html
via: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/23/1256213from=rss
Also (blog comments squeezed out):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chord_keyboard
On 7/19/07, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be nice to have also a webkit-based browser.
http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/07/webkit-progress.html
http://code.google.com/soc/2007/openmoko/appinfo.html?csaid=B5A2E96741FD60E4
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Yup, congratulations !!!
Bonne chance
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time for so many features !
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Yup,
I'd be glad to :)
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So please wish us luck. We're just about at the tipping point.
Good luck :)
I think it is normal for us to wait, as normally the hardware
engineering is in a complete black-out, with delays and revisions.
Let's all be patient, that's it.
Cheers, et bon courage !!!
Florent
WOW. I'm shocked. We were going the same way as how the iPhone works,
without knowing any of it !
IP over USB kindof sucks on a Win box (have to install shitty
drivers). UMS storage gives direct access to hardware storage. Which
leaves BT Wifi for samba + webservices.
The way i saw it, the
$). What are the upcoming wii accessories?
:)
On another subject, any updates about neo's I2C/expansion pack wish ?
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I guess if what you really want is the joystick
... Or any upcoming Wii accessories (who knows what will come from
these prolific brains ^^ ?); i guess a text input accessory will have
to come sooner or later. Yet, as you pointed out, here i'm interested
by the joystick + buttons
you'd want
of happy owners here, right?) and rough
feedback the responsiveness ?
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Imho the EFL are the best choise for a device like the Neo.
But, which backend for evas ? Framebuffer ? X ? OpenGL (i don't think
there's an evas Opengl ES implementation..) ?
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* no clutter-based openmoko devices on non-OpenGL-capable devices
[1] http://wiki.python.org/moin/AnyGui
[2] http://wiki.python.org/moin/Ocean
[3] http://cairographics.org/backends/
[4]http://www.clutter-project.org/docs/clutter-clutter-fixed.html
Any thoughts?
Florent
Related tutorial :
http://www.directfb.org/wiki/index.php/Projects:GTK_on_DirectFB_for_Embedded_Systems
The choice should be driven by benchmarks results. EFLs are on the row too...
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whenever i get a device. Maybe a local web
interface is doable and reactive enough for launching apps.
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In any case, between openmoko devices encrypted calls would imply
having a personal server, as P2P communication is almost always
prevented inside a GPRS network (at least in France, it is).
The mokoslug distro for NSLU2 becomes more and more promising :)
has to achieve
fluid un/zooming, so that the zooming metaphor applies to our
analogical sense of space.
I hope the chip will enable ZUIs, together with the accelerometers,
not just eye-candy !
Anyway, these are great news !!!
Cheers
Florent
From official SMedia press release for Glamo3662 [1]:
* MPEG4 full hardware codec function
* 5M pixel high resolution picture
Glamo3362 supports up to 5M pixel resolution picture function,
including auto focus, auto white balance and auto exposure that are
reaching the image quality of a
Or http://wiki.tuxisalive.com/index.php/Speech_recognition
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I noticed a funny phrase in the tossug video:
Because desktop computing assumes that we only have butts
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mobile products (ex: nokia
S60)... because it's maybe the fastest and lightest webengine
So Let's wait 'til the end of the summer :)
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As there are some 8GB SDHC cards out there, are there limitations on
the neo? (as soon as it's SDHC, shoudl'nt be it ok?)
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Hi.
I found this post, which may be of interest (in regard to hypothetical
widgets and webUI)
http://zecke.blogspot.com/2006/12/webkit-for-olpcs-sugar.html
Another interesting project:
Screenlets: OSX-like widgets
http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee/screenlets/
Cheers
Florent
://www.chumby.com/widgets/channels
The two products could share:
* embedded experience
* the content ecosystem
* the display platform (flash) and tools
I'm not saying i want this. But: why not?
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are intended to be implemented for all finger-apps, and
may be suitable for image navigation.
Please feel free to add yours :)
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Notice the:
* Google Maps with GPS
* widget-like launcher
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I'm still on the widget driven
GUI concept. Having a single common rendering approach using HTML/Widgets
would provide some interesting advantages.
Not only on the graphical coherence, but also on the novel
mixed/hybrid uses that will be feasible (semi web/local). Why not
considering a phone's
Is there a way to add a poll feature to the wiki? This would give a
quantitative about the community's opinion...
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What about:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Poll
Seems strange not to have this extension in the wiki...
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and without bloat.
Talking about squeak, what about http://www.seaside.st ?
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informations - web)?
* what do you think of web mashups on mobiles?
* any feedback about openkapow already?
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Interesting concepts...
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/04/beta_test_a_dash_express_gps.html
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The issue with traffic movements is you really need the cell tower
movement information from carriers, without this these traffic flows are
at best an estimation.
As for openmoko:
What about, in car GPS mode, reporting unusual speed fluctuations?
Ex: you're on a 130 km/h road, and your gps
I would add that gprs is the only way to have a data link on a speed
50 km/h...
And reporting stuff like average speed would be only a few ko !
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days, EFLs are stable and could be used for the best.
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forking, it would be great.
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Maybe, at the time of writing, the neo was only at planning stage?
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What would be the best platform for using web 2.0 APIs? There are
interesting web 2.0 services, almost all offering free-to-use APIs
(http://www.programmableweb.com/), such as the recent netvibes
crossplatform widget API http://dev.netvibes.com/ or Imity, who
recently released an open source
inputs.
Hey, that's just what's needed :) How many free space do you have on
such a screen?
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(or put the device on a
table)
I'm gonna do mockups...
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Mockups done (ugly, but gives an idea)
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements#Handgesture_recognition_proposal
In fact, we may not even need the fake multi touch thing, if we define a
finger-mode zone. Just put your first finger on the wheel, and the second
one has handgesture enabled...
you
move in a clockwise or counterclockwise direction.
Added here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UI_Improvements#Extending_the_touchscreen_capabilities_and_input_methods
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to modify
(but it's in libmokoui for now)
- assembling ideas such as scrolling
- assembling UI resources/papers/libs etc...
But, that's true, wee need a really good, novative idea. So Brain
up, community !
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Would it be possible to get video captures or raw measurements of the
touchscreen's reported coordinates?
For instance, i'm pretty curious to know what exactly the touchscreen
sees when you touch the screen with 2 fingers at the same time, when
you move them, when you move only one of the 2,
the
touchscreen reports exotic uses.
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Some USB keys don't boot. If this is the case, it may be possible to
fix them by installing a new master boot record. (Most keys boot OK by
default; some cannot be fixed even by doing this.
I can't know if a neo will boot or not without somebody trying, so
could any happy neo owner test this?
I forgot mentioning pocketsphinx (voice recognition), which has an
openembedded port already
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I've been recently confronted to these questions for the tuxdroid
project (which i intend to run on a NAS/Home router).
About text-to-speech, eSpeak seems really interesting for embedded
devices, plus it's more or less the only 100% free sotfware of this
category (others, like festival /
it to work, but it would be great to know.
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I'll add here sotg from an off-list msg;
In fact we have the position given by the touchscreen : [ x(t) ; y(t) ]
speed is: [ (x(t') - x(t)) / (t' -t) ; (y(t') - y(t)) / (t' -t) ] -
friction_factor*(t' - t)
... Where the friction_factor is in [0 ; 1]
If we want acceleration, then we have to
Take a look @ this iphone video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPqqfVLQ_qY
There is:
- it's as if the entire list is the scrolling bar, but reverted
(finger down - scroll up)
- the list follows the pointer
- as soon as you stop touching, the list continues to scroll (in
contrary to standard gtk
For the smooth transition effects you are describing, what part of the
OpenMoko framework would have to be changed for this to work?
GTK I guess...
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not sure i'll get a pre-version. So i'll let you start. Anyway,
that's the spirit !
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coloring (for instance, taking the exact negative of the background on
every point), so that it's still readable.
About autocompletion/T9: are there plans for or already existing T9
implementations ?
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to have some sort of T9 for command line,
sophisticated autocompletion (sh should do that i guess), if we also
want parameters autocompletion.
What will the embedded terminal be? GPE's?
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What is the easiest way to distribute the video?
Bittorrent would seem easiest to me. Or if someone has bandwidth to burn,
HTTP.
Dailymotion / Youtube They have bw to burn :)
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It should be. The package manager used by OpenEmbedded (ipkg)
supports operations similar to yum and apt-get:
Will there be an official/community repository?
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yes, but that wouldn't solve all the problems:
You'd still have something hanging off the bottom of the phone.
To me, the most valuable feature is the keyboard; a small one, but usable.
And it's not something you use on mobility situation (in the streets...).
With the not-sexy-at-all battery
What is Python?
A scripting language. Much like perl, or bash/sh/csh/tcsh scripts -
or AppleScipt if you've done that. Or MATLAB.
That's great ! I didn't know there was python involved in openmoko... What
parts? The networking one? (twisted?)
I would personally really like to be able to boot a computer on my linux
phone, using a regular usb-miniusb cable.
I know that USB boot isn't available on every computer in the same
implementation, but nowaday's ones should.
Woud it be possible, in file storage mode, or a dedicated boot mode,
Sorry to ask this, but which hardware features will finally be integrated in
this version?
- bluetooth?
- wifi (you mentioned it)?
Thanks for clearing up my mind :)
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Actually there is something called OpenGL ES (for Embedded Systems) which
might come in handy.
How well would it run without hardware acceleration?
I'd appreciate hardware/software specs of the graphics device...
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One way would be for FIC to supply an optional fatter replacement battery
that
included one extra 1.5v cell, a wifi dongle, and the necessary circuitry
for
charging the additional cell after the regular ones were full, and
supplying
the 3.3 / 5v outlets.
Could another one be to use a wifi
http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/CPH420MP.asp , available on Amazon
There seem to be battery powered usb hubs
**
*Hub 420 MP*
The latest product innovation from CyberPower Systems provides you with the
ability to easily connect and power up to four USB devices without an ac
power adapter. The
Just to mention, use of Google maps is not free, it comes only with their
software, or trough the browser interface
Of course. But, do you really think that the open source community
will be able to add every POIs (shops, cafes, etc...) ? The content to
generate (tagging streets etc..) is so
Would EDGE addition be a possibility, or are such changes too big? (apriori
it's a change of the gsm module, dunno how different the AP's OS would have
to be to follow)
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I know it's important to have binary maps archives, but wouldn't it be
simpler/better/easier to do a google maps + GPS mashup application (before
open source maps are complete)? Again, sadly no EDGE...
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there will be enough devices for us to buy when it's
ready for prime time...
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- what about package management? apt-get like mecanism? Do you
consider using mkezx ? An official binary repository?...
for phase 1 we will use ipkg. For phase 2 we either would like to see an sqlite
backend in ipkg (because the default one is really slow) or something written
from scratch.
I didn't find any self powered keyboard on google, but a lot of
bluetooth / IR battery powered keyboards
http://www.expansys.lu/p.aspx?i=112314
http://www.expansys.lu/n.aspx?f=132
http://www.nokiausa.com/accessories/item_details/1,8994,product:SU-8W,00.html
A battery powered foldable keyboard
Hello,
Simple curiosity: what's the data link used by blackberries for
notification? It can't be gprs or sms... A GSM extension ?
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If this works I vote for it (for as long as it will work ...) However
receiving SMS is also free no ? couldn't you use that ?
Well, it may be free in your country, but not in mine :) No, the only
free-of-charge thing is the signalization protocol...
I like it too, but technically, it's a hidden channel (illegal...)
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