Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-12 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 11 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:06 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 15:05 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Unfortunately, there's no way to find out which devices are affected by this bug judging

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-12 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:53:29PM +0200, David Fokkema wrote: How many cans are there inside a freerunner? I'll have to study the schematics and really have to open this thing. From memory: GPS can, GSM can and main can. -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-11 Thread David Fokkema
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:06 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 15:05 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been stated on this list and

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
(CC'ing gta02-core since this would be nice to have fixed.) On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 05:12:19PM +0100, Al Johnson wrote: The digital filters are for ADC and DAC which we aren't using in phone calls. We are passing analogue signals through to the Calypso which has its own filters, ADC and DAC.

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread Alexander Shulgin
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 14:05, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been stated on this list and on support. And going by the last paragraph, this is true. So, _why_ are Freerunners

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Fertser
Alexander Shulgin alex.shul...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 14:05, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been stated on this list and on support. And going by the last

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread David Fokkema
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:53 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Alexander Shulgin alex.shul...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 14:05, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread Al Johnson
On Monday 10 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:53 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Alexander Shulgin alex.shul...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 14:05, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: The fact that Freerunners

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread Alexander Shulgin
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 14:53, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: Alexander Shulgin alex.shul...@gmail.com writes: One of the problems is that some freerunner revisions are in fact different in hardware. Most devices have 1uF capacitors instead of R3004/R3005 (which should be 0R), and

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread David Fokkema
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:15 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Monday 10 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:53 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Alexander Shulgin alex.shul...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 14:05, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: David

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread David Fokkema
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 16:33 +0300, Alexander Shulgin wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 14:53, Paul Fertserfercer...@gmail.com wrote: Alexander Shulgin alex.shul...@gmail.com writes: One of the problems is that some freerunner revisions are in fact different in hardware. Most devices have 1uF

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread David Fokkema
On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 15:05 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been stated on this list and on support. And going by the last paragraph, this is true. So, _why_ are Freerunners different?

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread Paul Fertser
David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 15:05 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been stated on this list and on support. And going by the last paragraph, this is true.

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread Alexander Shulgin
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:13, David Fokkemadfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 16:33 +0300, Alexander Shulgin wrote: I'm quite experienced programmer, but this is just too deep for me (plus the documentation is sparse and decentralized). Could anyone assist me on this task?  What

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-10 Thread Dan Staley
Which capacitor do the A5 freerunners have? Does anyone know? From what I read, the A6's were split on having the 0 capacitor and the otherare the A5's the same way? -Dan Staley On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Alexander Shulgin alex.shul...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-08 Thread Paul Fertser
David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl writes: The fact that Freerunners differ in audio quality and settings has been stated on this list and on support. And going by the last paragraph, this is true. So, _why_ are Freerunners different? One of the problems is that some freerunner revisions are in

Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
Hi list, I finally took a lunch break to check out the various alsa channel settings. Angus's mixer scripts rock, BTW! Trying to track down the input for the handset, I've looked at the wolfson schematic, browsed through the handset state file and can only come to the conclusion that the audio

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and volume down buttons during call... In Freerunner we only miss good UI

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Marcel
Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Sebastian Krzyszkowiak
On 8/7/09, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Vasco Névoa
I think you're all missing the point. David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but (AFAIK) non-resolved issue. I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his questions (which I also would like to see answered). Although the issue of low

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 07 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote: Hi list, I finally took a lunch break to check out the various alsa channel settings. Angus's mixer scripts rock, BTW! Trying to track down the input for the handset, I've looked at the wolfson schematic, browsed through the handset state file

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:29 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. WTF? Every phone user tweaks mixer settings by using volume up and

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:52 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/7/09, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Freitag, 7. August 2009 16:29:24 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/7/09, David Fokkema dfokk...@ileos.nl wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 16:45 +0100, Vasco Névoa wrote: I think you're all missing the point. David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but (AFAIK) non-resolved issue. Thanks! I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his questions

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread David Fokkema
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 17:12 +0100, Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 07 August 2009, David Fokkema wrote: - Why exactly are FR's different while I've never heard of Nokia users needing to tweak mixer settings. Most phones have a simple volume up/down control, often a pair of buttons on the

Re: Freerunner audio channels

2009-08-07 Thread Denis Johnson
+1 2009/8/8 Vasco Névoa vasco.ne...@sapo.pt I think you're all missing the point. David's initial post is a breath of fresh air into a long debated but (AFAIK) non-resolved issue. I deeply welcome his investigation into this subject, and support his questions (which I also would like to