On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 11:01 -0500, Dean Collins wrote:
> Unless of course you don't mind me coming over and 'sharing' your
> refrigerator.
I don't have a 3D printer, so please could you bring your own 3D printer
with you? ;-)
PS.
Before you think above line as ridiculous, I think 3D printers are
Am Dienstag, 30. Januar 2007 04:24 schrieben Sie:
>
> Then on what basis, Oleg, do you make the statement "Free-Software-only
> is the goal" without prefixing that sentence with "In my opinion ..." ?
>
Because it's an unmoderated community list, and not an
openmoko-a-lawyer-from-FIC-already-approve
Hello Guys,
An even better suggestion would be to assume that anyone on this list that
doesn't have an @openmoko.org/.com/.net or @fic.com.tw address can only be
stating an opinion. Everything else is most likely official.
Next, I believe we are intelligent enough to think critically about the
c
Oleg Gusev wrote:
> Free-Software-only is the goal, but it's unfortunately not easy to
> achieve and depends on our common efforts.
Mike wrote:
> Are you one of the people running the OM project?
Oleg Gusev wrote:
> No.
Then on what basis, Oleg, do you make the statement "Free-Software-only
is t
Am Montag, 29. Januar 2007 17:30 schrieb Mike:
>
> Are you one of the people running the OM project?
>
No.
Oleg.
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> Am Montag, 29. Januar 2007 02:52 schrieb Mike:
>>
>> If someone from OM chimes in and
>> says OSS-only really is the goal, I'll buy a Palm Treo tomorrow and
>> never
>> look at this project again.
>>
>
> Free-Software-only is the goal, but it's unfortunately not easy to achieve
> and depends on o
On 1/29/07 4:49 AM, "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 29/01/07, Ken Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> For me, the attraction of the
>> OM phone is the functionality that I can build on it, not that it's
>> only loaded with 100% Free Software.
>
> If you make what you build availabl
On 29/01/07, Ken Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
For me, the attraction of the
OM phone is the functionality that I can build on it, not that it's
only loaded with 100% Free Software.
If you make what you build available to the public, will they be able
to build on that functionality?
If not,
Am Montag, 29. Januar 2007 02:52 schrieb Mike:
>
> If someone from OM chimes in and
> says OSS-only really is the goal, I'll buy a Palm Treo tomorrow and never
> look at this project again.
>
Free-Software-only is the goal, but it's unfortunately not easy to achieve
and depends on our common effo
On 29 Jan 2007, at 09:52, Mike wrote:
The linux community *overall* quietly wants linux to be a walled-
off OSS
only world. They have never quite been comfortable with commercial
apps
running on the linux platform.
It's quite common to mistake the vocal minority for the overall will
of the
>The linux community *overall* quietly wants linux to be a walled-off OSS
>only world.
My experience has been that it's actually a fair mix. Most of the folks I
interact with in the context of the work I do are actually pretty pragmatic
about it. They want to see more open source software used,
Mike wrote:
The amount of applications available for the phone is not the goal;
the goal is to have a 100% free software phone.
That is abosulutely not the goal. The goal actually IS a "[large] ammount
of applications available for the phone". If someone from OM chimes in and
says OSS-only rea
>
> The amount of applications available for the phone is not the goal;
> the goal is to have a 100% free software phone.
>
That is abosulutely not the goal. The goal actually IS a "[large] ammount
of applications available for the phone". If someone from OM chimes in and
says OSS-only really is t
On 1/28/07 10:15 AM, "Paul Wouters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, David Schlesinger wrote:
>
>> I still don't see how trying to limit people's choices is "more free" than
>> letting them make their own choices.
>
> You are leaving out one important issue here. The "free" marke
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, David Schlesinger wrote:
> I still don't see how trying to limit people's choices is "more free" than
> letting them make their own choices.
You are leaving out one important issue here. The "free" market is in fact
already forcing non-free decisions on you. You can try to av
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Simon wrote:
> > GPLv3?
>
> The GPLv3 does nothing to stop people from using DRM to protect
> proprietary software.
Yeah, but try writing DRM sofware without the GNU software, which
includes glibc for your proprietary software (which realisticly,
would be linked against a GPL
>And that consequence is that the more people who do it
>the more reliant on non-free software free software becomes, and the
>more reliant free software is on un-free software the less free the
>whole system becomes: meaning, when you look at the whole picture,
>users will have less freedo
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote:
It's not a matter of "should." A person DOES have the freedom to run
proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that
freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in
economics).
On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote:
> It's not a matter of "should." A person DOES have the freedom to run
> proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that
> freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in
> economics).
No that's not wh
On 26 Jan 2007, at 8:34 pm, David Schlesinger wrote:
I'd say you're instead limiting "free" to mean "free according to
the doctrine of the Free Software Foundation". (Should I only be
eating in restaurants which will give me copies of their recipes,
for the asking, in the name of freedom...
One point:
> > If you feel allowing proprietary, closed software in hurts the 'free
> > your phone' spirit, and the market place is closed to them, it only
> > hurts the amount of applications available for the phone.
>
> The amount of applications available for the phone is not the goal;
> the
I'm sorry to stick my nose into this possible bees-nest.
But I feel I have to object a little here.
On 1/26/07, Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 26/01/07, Richard Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has
> mapping software t
Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is
granted the right to enact statutes "To promote the Progress of Science and
useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."
As I said, it
>It may seem obvious to you that copyright law is about protecting
>authors...
Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is
granted the right to enact statutes "To promote the Progress of Science and
useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors
On 1/26/07 10:47 AM, "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Your argument may be 'but every software for the phone really should
>> be free - people will write it'. However, if someone hasn't come up
>> with an absolutely free, modifiable mapping software, I should just be
>> able to ge
On 1/26/07, David Schlesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Copyright law has _always_ been about protecting authors, i.e. creators,
from the undesirable economics effects of uncontrolled copying of their
work. Period.
It may seem obvious to you that copyright law is about protecting
authors, b
On 1/26/07, Paul Wouters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote:
> So I sincerely doubt that OpenMoko would ever actively support
> proprietary applications (e.g. by DRM hooks). We certainly cannot do
> anything against them, though.
GPLv3?
The GPLv3 does nothing
On 1/26/07 11:01 AM, "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> If it's not the author's wish that the software be freely
>> copy-able, which is certainly a desire the author's quite
>> entitled to have
>
> I am less certain, and judging from most people's actions, I think you
> are in qui
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 22:04 +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote:
> I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
> closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
> software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online
> marketplace? What about DRM, is there
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote:
> So I sincerely doubt that OpenMoko would ever actively support
> proprietary applications (e.g. by DRM hooks). We certainly cannot do
> anything against them, though.
GPLv3?
Paul
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On 1/26/07 10:33 AM, "Dave Crossland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The original point was: It doesn't make sense to equate copying
> digital information with stealing physical objects.
No...? If you were to come into possession tomorrow of a copy of the
yet-to-be-published seventh Harry Potter
On 26/01/07, David Schlesinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
See whether you get charged with something like theft (or
infringement of copyright, which is tantamount to theft...)
Infringement of copyright is very, very different to theft.
>If I shoplift some food from my local
>store, no one
>Grey areas.
Actually, I don't think it's grey at all. The decision maker, as far as how a
work can be published and/or sold, is the copyright holder.
Copyright is the _right_ to _copy_. If you're not the copyright holder, and you
haven't been granted a right to copy by the copyright holder, th
On 26/01/07, Richard Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has
mapping software that I want to use, I shouldn't have to jump through
hoops to get it. I should just be able to go into the market place, go
to 'Non-Free Software', and buy the
On 26/01/07, Jonathon Suggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I really hate to get in on this discussion
Talking about freedom is important, so thank you for your polite and
rational contribution.
Dave Crossland wrote:
> But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it.
> There'
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 10:04:54PM +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote:
> What about DRM, is there a way to bind a program to a sync ID like
> it's usually done with PalmOS or to a device ID? (It should be
> possible to bind it to an SD card ID, right?)
While I'm not in charge of marketing or strategic dec
-- Forwarded message --
From: Dave Crossland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 26-Jan-2007 18:06
Subject: Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
To: Peter A Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(offlist)
On 26/01/07, Peter A Trotter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
proprietar
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 10:58 -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote:Dave Crossland
wrote:
> But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it.
> There's no ethical problem.
>
> Sorry Dave, but you are wrong. There IS an ethical problem. Just
> because you CAN do something doesn't mean tha
>But copying isn't stealing.
Sure it is, or at least it can be. Make a hundred copies of Stephen King's
latest book and try to give them all away in front of your local major
bookstore. See whether you get charged with something like theft (or
infringement of copyright, which is tantamount to t
>> Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
>> phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot.
>
>Proprietary software developers often refer to unauthorised copying as
>"piracy."
>
>This terms implies that copying is ethically equivalent to attacking
>ships o
The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has
mapping software that I want to use, I shouldn't have to jump through
hoops to get it. I should just be able to go into the market place, go
to 'Non-Free Software', and buy the TomTom app.
Your argument may be 'but every software fo
I really hate to get in on this discussion, but a few points were made
that should be brought to light.
Peter A Trotter wrote:
The market place should be so simple to use that is always the easiest
and quickest place for average users to get hold of apps.
Bingo. People will pay for software/digi
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On 26/01/07, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Two guys I know invested time into porting their game
On 26/01/07, Dean Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dave, whilst all software is free - rent isn't (oh and that nasty habit
of eating every 6-8 hours is a real bitch as well).
Of course there will be commercial software available for the OpenMoko
community.
If this is commercial free software,
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Sent: Friday, 26 January 2007 10:55 AM
To: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
On 26/01/07, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Two guys I know
On 26/01/07, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot.
Proprietary software developers often refer to unauthorised copying as
"piracy."
This terms implies that copying
There is no management in a company of one or two people.
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot. Indeed, it
was not about the DRM in this case: There was some variation of it and
it was easily cracked. The pro
Salve Marcin!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> Dnia pi?tek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisa?:
>
> > For real paranoid sellers:
> >
> > Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or
> > mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisał:
> For real paranoid sellers:
>
> Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or
> mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every
> embdded system so that even hacking out the program from the embed
Salve Ortwin, *!
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Ortwin Regel wrote:
> I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
> closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
> software for OpenMoko devices?
For real paranoid sellers:
Build a chip with memory and an embe
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 09:24, Tomasz Zielinski napisał:
> 2007/1/26, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
> > It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that
> Prepare fancy build system with compilation on
2007/1/26, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that
Prepare fancy build system with compilation on demand, then build
dedicated software package for every customer, with h
Twas brillig at 01:17:56 26.01.2007 UTC+01 when Ortwin Regel did gyre and
gimble:
OR> I share your opinions but try to tell that to some
OR> developers... :-/ They feel safer if they can bind their program
OR> to only work with one hotsync ID, one device, one SD card...
I bet it's not the de
On 1/26/07, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I share your opinions but try to tell that to some developers... :-/
They feel safer if they can bind their program to only work with one
hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
It would be nice if some more developers c
I share your opinions but try to tell that to some developers... :-/
They feel safer if they can bind their program to only work with one
hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that
selling without restrictions c
Hello Ortwin,
On 1/25/07, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online
marketplace?
I think that there
Salve Ortwin!
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007, Ortwin Regel wrote:
> I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
> closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
> software for OpenMoko devices?
Nearly the same like with GNU/Linux.
The PalmPilot hasn't DRM and co
Am Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2007 22:04 schrieb Ortwin Regel:
>
> What about DRM
Defective by design ?
> is there a way to bind a program to a
> sync ID like it's usually done with PalmOS or to a device ID? (It
> should be possible to bind it to an SD card ID, right?)
>
Don't forget that all data
I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online
marketplace? What about DRM, is there a way to bind a program to a
sync ID like it's usually done wi
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