Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

[snip] This does not work. That is all. ; -- Jay Vaughan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

On 7/29/08 Jay Vaughan wrote: > [snip] > > This does not work. That is all. Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have our own ways of understanding and making meanings. You are free to create your own meanings. -Sean _

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

> Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have > our > own ways of understanding and making meanings. > You are free to create your own meanings. I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste dilettante waffling about "not having a design because its

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jay Vaughan wrote: > Because at this point, it seems to me that you've just pissed in the > koolaid. Basically, you're just selling incomplete, mediocre hardware > in order to cash in on the "Open Community" meme, or what? Hi Jay. First person t

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Jay Vaughan wrote, On 28/07/08 21:31: >> Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have >> our >> own ways of understanding and making meanings. >> You are free to create your own meanings. >> > > > I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste > d

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

> Openmoko is trying to do what can: is trying to build a phone. It is > trying to build a running open hardware: It will not be perfect but it > will be open. You will know all the defect and compromise token to get > it. Then is your choose. And don't tell to me that OM hardware is > broken > b

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> I can't speak for anybody else, but what were you actually expecting > of > the Neo FR? A finished SDK that you can develop against to build your > app on? Having worked in Open-Hardware for over 15 years now, I was, in fact, expecting a much more coherent strategy for the software platform

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jay Vaughan wrote: > It is *important* that such things as a usable GUI, which > looks nice, are presented very, very rapidly - there is no other way > for our projects to snowball than to attract the interest of those who > will use the hardware

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

On 28 Jul 2008, at 21:31, Jay Vaughan wrote: >> Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have >> our >> own ways of understanding and making meanings. >> You are free to create your own meanings. > > I just can't see how you honestly believe all this panty-waiste > dilettan

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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Having worked in Open-Hardware for over 15 years now, I was, in fact, > expecting a much more coherent strategy for the software platform on > Freerunner than just "let the community decide". Certainly, the > community as

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> blab blab blab > > Jay Vaughan If you need a benevolent dictator to lead, why not become one yourself? If you need standards why not make them? This is not a responsibility of the Openmoko team. They already gave us the damn thing to build it all on. This really is the job of the community. Stop

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Nkoli wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > > Having worked in Open-Hardware for over 15 years now, I was, in fact, > expecting a much more coherent strategy for the software platform on > Freerunner than just

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> I think my first project will be called MokoBingo! (with the > exclamation mark!)! It will check the mailing list on a regular basis > and the Freerunner will make a squeaky noise when any of the > following terms are encountered: heh heh .. please do this! :) ; -- Jay Vaughan __

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> Jay, your negative posts on this ML do nothing but foster an > unpleasant atmosphere. Last I checked, no one put a gun to your head > and forced you to buy or design for the FR. If you're tired of > waiting for the device to become stable, sell the phone and check > back again in about a

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> If you need a benevolent dictator to lead, why not become one > yourself? Because there is one already, he just doesn't have any power to make smart design decisions because of some new-age hippy-dippy faff. > If you need standards why not make them? This is not a responsibility > of the Op

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>> Jay, your negative posts on this ML do nothing but foster an >> unpleasant atmosphere > Actually I disagree a bit here. Jay is not trolling but just saying > where he's trying to come from. Thank you Kalle .. no, I'm not trolling, yes I am voicing a strong opinion, yes I do think the Freerunn

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> If you need a benevolent dictator to lead, why not become one yourself? > If you need standards why not make them? This is not a responsibility > of the Openmoko team. They already gave us the damn thing to build it > all on. This really is the job of the community. Stop whining and start > doing

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Hi, Jay Vaughan schrieb: > [snip] > > This does not work. That is all. As Sean already said. You are only speaking for yourself. I am glad that OpenMoko is not just another half-open half-closed effort that once thought: "Oh look Linux. It doesn't cost a dime. Let's make something that is flas

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I have to agree with Kalle & Jay, While i part of me would like to see a nailed down platform with a clear definition of tools, UI standards, platform support, documentation standards(one I've been yelling about recently) I also understand OM's struggle to produce a viable open source product

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>> This does not work. That is all. > As Sean already said. You are only speaking for yourself. > I am not alone in my view. > I am glad that OpenMoko is not just another half-open half-closed > effort > that once thought: "Oh look Linux. It doesn't cost a dime. Let's make > something that is

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jay Vaughan wrote: > I'm glad OpenMoko has as many rabid fanboix as other projects, it > means there is hope yet .. Usually I am not too much disposed to moderation in a ML, but now I am started to think: In these two days you wrote around 15 email

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> I am no one to tell to you how to use your time, but I personally > thing > that continuing to use your time to repeat how many stupid things > Openmoko do, and complaining how many fanboy there are, is not the > best > way to help this project. Then do you what do you think is better! > I

RE: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

Hehe. Michele your comment made my day and I read hundreds of emails per day -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michele Renda Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:03 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: [openmoko-announce

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On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 16:02 +0200, Michele Renda wrote: > I think this require some hours hour man-time (let suppose 3-4 h) I'll agree that responding as Jay has takes considerable time, but I disagree with what a person can do. > In 3-4 hours a person can do: > > To learn a bit how to wri

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EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Vaughan Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design > I am no one to tell to you how to use your time, but I personally > thing that continuing to use your time to repeat how

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cristopher, let me to understand why you are so in angry. Like you I sent my 350 Eur postcard (= 2 month of my house rent) for a phone that I was knowing was not software complete (and some possible hardware bug). OM wrote very well on the homepage t

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Hi Michele, > Cristopher, let me to understand why you are so in angry. Forgive me if I came across as very angry. I actually am not. I am frustrated, but I do not find fault with anyone in this regard. > Like you I sent my 350 Eur postcard (= 2 month of my house rent) for a > phone that I was

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

On 7/29/08 Stroller wrote: > Initially I was > really angry about the whole removal-of-the-keyboard-button-by- > shadowy-designers thing, and I've come to realise it's irrelevant and > > that I was stupid to get upset about it. Please don't think it's irrelevant. It's anything but. This is t

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

On Wednesday 30 July 2008 04:37:20 Christopher White wrote: Hi Cristopher, let me to understand why you are so in angry. > My frustration comes off as anger because I just can't seem to figure > out where to go at times. I know I signed up for a tough road, and I am > not afraid to rollup my sle

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

> you seem very passionate about your concerns. If you are going to > linux > world I'd be happy to meet and discuss things. > Or if you can make a list of specific problems I can try to > explain or > address your concerns. [reply off-list] ; -- Jay Vaughan

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> About Jay, I apologize if I attached personally it, but he was > attaching > a lot of person of this ML, and it was not too much nice. > I don't believe I attacked any one person specifically, personally, but okay .. lets move on. There is code to be written and new things to be talked ab

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:31:55PM +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote: > > Sorry to hear it doesn't work for you. But like I said, we each have > > our > > own ways of understanding and making meanings. > > You are free to create your own meanings. > > > I just can't see how you honestly believe all this

Re: [openmoko-announce] Openmoko on Design

> It seems to me from my former-product-mananger perspective that OpenMoko > doesn't really want to be in the software business. > > I'm sensing a business model that has OpenMoko focussing on selling > general-purpose computing hardware (like Dell or ASUS). but in a handheld > format, and let

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Ken Restivo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It seems to me from my former-product-mananger perspective that > OpenMoko doesn't really want to be in the software business. why would they do ASU/FSO then? i don't buy this. > I'm sensing a business model that has OpenMoko focussing on selling > gene