thomasg wrote:
> Hi ppl,
>
> I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone
> should know:
> _sbeh_, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the
> reason for the GPS problems.
> The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's
> mounted or
maybe this is the same reason for some of the audio issues? Or is it
gms interference there?
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi ppl,
>
> I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should
> know:
> sbeh, one of the people in #neo1973-ge
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thomasg a écrit :
> Hi ppl,
>
> I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone
> should know:
> _sbeh_, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the
> reason for the GPS problems.
> The problem only occurs if a SD ca
We are not sure about this, but it might be, that theres a voltage leaking
on the EMC-shield behind the microSD - also just a guess, it might be the
contacts of the SD-reader that are pretty hard and need a lot of pressure.
But I think only the engineers can make that sure, and it's at least
necess
Awesome. At least we now know what's causing the problem.
Is there a chance that changing the orientation of the internal
antenna slightly (perhaps through very minor modifications to the
inside of the plastic case) could rectify the issue?
--tim
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> The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if
> it's mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket.
oh man, if this is true, its not good news.
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Went outside, got TTFF in 48s surrounded by buildings and trees.
Definitely confirmed that removing the sd card fixes the gps.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:12 AM, Tim Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Awesome. At least we now know what's causing the problem.
>
> Is there a chance that changing
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 07:12:40AM -0400, Tim Schmidt wrote:
> Awesome. At least we now know what's causing the problem.
>
> Is there a chance that changing the orientation of the internal
> antenna slightly (perhaps through very minor modifications to the
> inside of the plastic case) could rect
thomasg, 2008-07-15 12:42:07 +0200 :
> Testresults from other people appreciated.
Confirmed here. Thanks for sharing :-)
Roland.
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Confirming this too. Under decent conditions first TTFF 130s, then after
a power down/power up it was ~40secs. Never saw it that fast on the
Neo1973. Excellent! Well, more or less :o)
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 12:42 +0200, thomasg wrote:
> Hi ppl,
>
> I write this to community, not to devel or own
Confirm.
I've got a fix in 41secs (TTFF 41)
Thanks for the great sharing :D
The bad thing is the SD card :S
2008/7/15 Marcus Bauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Confirming this too. Under decent conditions first TTFF 130s, then after
> a power down/power up it was ~40secs. Never saw it that fast on th
To be correct: not the card, the reader :)
We checked it with some different Sandisk models and the card from OM (also
standard-SD and SDHC), so the card itself cannot be the fault.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Rune Gangstø <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Confirm.
> I've got a fix in 41secs (TTF
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 12:42 +0200, thomasg wrote:
> First results show at the same devices, even outdoor, that there is no
> fix in over 400 seconds with SD card, the signal seems to be at least
> 10 to 20 dB worse (so bad, that most satellites don't even appear).
confirming this too. I never saw
grr .. confirmed here too on my neo1973 .. without SD card, GPS fix
happens in 30 seconds, with SD card .. well, its not found one yet
after 10 minutes. note: i am indoors about a meter from the window ..
this indicates, also, a problem in the factory test procedure. are SD
cards tested in
On the 1973?!
None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the Freerunners
make problems.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> grr .. confirmed here too on my neo1973 .. without SD card, GPS fix
> happens in 30 seconds, with SD card .. well, its n
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:52:36PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote:
> who needs SD cards anyway ;-p
I need it for one single reason... to store map data for gps... o_0
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ti, 2008-07-15 kello 13:58 +, Ole Kliemann kirjoitti:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 01:52:36PM +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote:
> > who needs SD cards anyway ;-p
>
> I need it for one single reason... to store map data for gps... o_0
Indeed that's a biggie... Here's hoping any kludgy but
not-very-cumbe
Jay Vaughan wrote:
> grr .. confirmed here too on my neo1973 .. without SD card, GPS fix
> happens in 30 seconds, with SD card .. well, its not found one yet
> after 10 minutes. note: i am indoors about a meter from the window ..
Not sure i can confirm this with mine. (GTA01)
Time to fix was
2008/7/15 Mikko Rauhala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Indeed that's a biggie... Here's hoping any kludgy but
> not-very-cumbersome fix will be found. (Let's wrap the µSD in tinfoil!)
Or an external antenna?
Regards
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thomasg wrote:
> The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matter if it's
> mounted or in use, it just has to sit in the socket.
> Testresults from other people appreciated.
I can also confirm this. I never got a fix on FreeRunner before, even
leaving it on all night (albeit indoor
On Tuesday 15 July 2008, thomasg wrote:
> Hi ppl,
>
> I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should
> know:
> *sbeh*, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the reason
> for the GPS problems.
> The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matt
I can give confirmation too.
Without microSD card I got a fix in 53s.
With the microSD card I neither got a fix nor even got a single
satellite to show up although I tried it at different locations (even on
the highest point nearby with hardly any buildings and good weather
conditions)
thomasg
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> grr .. confirmed here too on my neo1973 .. without SD card, GPS fix
> happens in 30 seconds, with SD card .. well, its not found one yet
> after 10 minutes. note: i am indoors about a meter from the window ..
Did you say
It's indeed sad that it's the SD reader that's causing the problems, but at
least the problem has been found now. It will be much easier to find a
decent solution that allows the SD card to remain in the card reader. I just
hope it can be fixed at home with some soldering or a homemade EMC-shield.
AM
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It's indeed sad that it's the SD reader that's causing the problems, but at
least the problem has been found now. It will be much easier to find a decent
solution that allows the SD card t
wrong!
won't help, don't try!
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Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Mikko Rauhala:
> not-very-cumbersome fix will be found. (Let's wrap the µSD in tinfoil!)
probably won't help. Be careful not to short anything
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What not to try the soldering or try to shield the sd? both?
--- El mar, 15/7/08, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
> De: Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Asunto: Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
> Para: community@lists.openmoko.org
> CC:
indeed, especially since I see possibility for it to be twofold: if it
is not purely an issue of SD card in place putting physical stress on
the board somehow (would be worth checking with dummy plastic
insert instead of real SD card), it means that
1. either SD card is powered all the time (whic
> On the 1973?!
Yup.
> None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the
> Freerunners make problems.
I do not have a Freerunner yet. But for sure, without the SD card in,
GPS seems to acquire faster.
;
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> Did you say 1973, but mean Freerunner?
>
No, I've only got a neo1973, and yes, it takes ages to aquire a fix.
> I'm capturing GPS traces on my 1973 on a regular basis, and always
> have an SD
> card of one sort of other in. After a power on, TTFF can be a couple
> minutes, and then
> the ne
I guess the best would be to wait for OM engineering team to localize
the actual problem -- the source of EM noise or god knows what else
leads to the demolished GPS signal -- may be some other part has to be
shielded, not SD card itself (some capacitor or chip on the path from SD
to chip is noisy
> It's indeed sad that it's the SD reader that's causing the problems,
> but at least the problem has been found now. It will be much easier
> to find a decent solution that allows the SD card to remain in the
> card reader. I just hope it can be fixed at home with some soldering
> or a hom
This issue does not look good. Is there someone in Openmoko or FIC aware of it?
If it is something that has to be fixed in hardware it may have a big
impact in the project at this stage.
I hope there will be some software workaround for this.
2008/7/15 Jay Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On the
they know about it now
(joerg even replied in this thread, he's a member)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Alejandro Enrique
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This issue does not look good. Is there someone in Openmoko or FIC aware of
> it?
>
> If it is something that has to be fixed in hardware it ma
Ken Young wrote:
> Joerg Reisenweber (joerg at openmoko.org) wrote:
>
>> wrong!
>> won't help, don't try!
>> /j
>
> That's a bit cryptic - what are you saying is wrong? It it the
> idea of removing the shielding,
That of course.
Even if it is a good idea to test. No one should suggest to rip
> Von: "thomasg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> On the 1973?!
> None of us can confirm this, our 1973 are mostly ok, only the
> Freerunners make problems.
I had also big problems getting a fix with the 1973 (I only had a fix once). I
will try my 1973 and FR against this issue.
Thx for the hint!
-homyx
Yes, TTFF less than 2min with the SD card removed.
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Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At
least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a
solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able
to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted).
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eildert Groeneveld
Considering you need to remove the battery and SIM to install a microSD
card, probably not :o)
Olivier Migeot wrote:
> Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At
> least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a
> solution, but it still act as a workaround
> Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At
> least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a
> solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able
> to keep the fix once the SD is re-inserted).
inserting the sd card requires the batter
you can go around the removing battery part if you power FR over USB.
Are you sure you have to remove also SIM?
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:02 PM, ian douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Considering you need to remove the battery and SIM to install a microSD
> card,
*sigh*
If a fix isn't found for this, I guess I'm waiting till the next version. I
need GPS and SD at the same time. Hopefully the OM team can provide a simple
fix as it seems to be a hardware issue.
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On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Travis Tabbal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *sigh*
Me, too :(
>
> If a fix isn't found for this, I guess I'm waiting till the next version. I
> need GPS and SD at the same time. Hopefully the OM team can provide a simple
> fix as it seems to be a hardware issue.
>
--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Olivier Migeot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is
> acquired. At
> least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not
> much of a
> solution,
It takes removal of the battery to insert the SD, so it's a bit of a cumbersome
not the best but a better (than reinserting the sd card on the fly) is
using a external antenna.
Phil
> *sigh*
>
> If a fix isn't found for this, I guess I'm waiting till the next version. I
> need GPS and SD at the same time. Hopefully the OM team can provide a simple
> fix as it seems to be a h
Hello,
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:42 PM, thomasg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We'll do more tests later, but for now we surely know what's causing the
> problem (and it seems to be a EMC problem).
Why does people seem to think it's an EMC problem? Ill hazard a guess
here (and I haven't even seen
This is something I really love about this project. if it were closed
source, the problem might not have been found in months. All it takes
is a sufficient community and we've already located the problem.
Hopefully it has easy enough of a fix that we don't have to resend our
Freerunners for repairs
Are the actual circuit schematics and board layouts for the FR available?
Does anyone know of good open source circuit simulation/RF software?
Also, depending on whats going on with the SD card issue, the easiest
workaround might be to design a small external antenna (I think someone
mentioned a
For those that follow the devel and commitlog lists, there was a patch
submitted by Andy Green @ Openmoko on the 13th suggesting that an
increase in voltage to the GPS workings might help. I haven't tried this
myself.
The note attached said:
"GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positi
well -- one of the reasons to suspect EMC is that GPS internal antenna
connector (being not far from external antenna connector as well) is
barely not touching (or may be actually it does) the cradle for
SD+SIM: look here
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware
so it is in a ve
thomasg wrote:
> Testresults from other people appreciated.
>
I can confirm this, I get a fix in about 90s without SD-card. I wasn't
able to get a fix before this with the internal antenna. I can confirm
the better signal of about 20dbm, too.
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I am not sure what you are talking about -- wouldn't you be able to
remove SD card in 'closed-source' phone and to see that GPS signal is
boosted? It just takes ingenuity of Germans to localize the problem in a
timely manner ;-)
either having freerunner opensource is that great we would see if the
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:19 AM, smurfy - phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not the best but a better (than reinserting the sd card on the fly) is
> using a external antenna.
>
Not really an acceptable option for many. External GPS antennas are
cumbersome beasts when used on a mobile device like
Hi.
I can only partly confirm this
With SD card removed,... I took 291 s (in my first tests) from inside a
building but on the window.
If I'm not at the windows but "deeper" (2m from the window away) inside
the building,.. it seems that I still don't get a fix.
Anyway,... I had it before (w
Hi
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:05 PM, arne anka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Maybe we should only insert the card once the fix is acquired. At
>> least at times where we want to use both GPS and SD. Not much of a
>> solution, but it still act as a workaround (provided the GPS is able
>> to keep the
> I am not sure what you are talking about -- wouldn't you be able to
> remove SD card in 'closed-source' phone and to see that GPS signal is
> boosted? It just takes ingenuity of Germans to localize the problem
> in a timely manner ;-)
Of course that would be possible, but there really isn't that
Hi Jay:
> Bummer that it was not discovered sooner, though. I really have to
> ask this question: did the hardware rev's of GTA02 get tested with SD
> card + GPS together?
Yes, factory test case did use boot from SD function and test sim with
battery in the assembly stage. The test itself
Tried the GPS last night with SD card in place - have yet to try it
without... Initial fix, with 9 satellites in constellation, 6 about
-140dBm, took 11 minutes. After that, tracking was good and it even
worked 'mostly' in my house. (I have most of my living area covered
with solar panels, so th
2008/7/15 nick loeve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Using my account details and current location i can get agps data
> loaded, but it still makes no difference for me getting a fix if the
> sd card is still in place.
Yes, that doesn't help getting the fixes. However I did find that if I
managed to get a
Tried the GPS last night with SD card in place - have yet to try it
without... Initial fix, with 9 satellites in constellation, 6 about
-140dBm, took 11 minutes. After that, tracking was good and it even
worked 'mostly' in my house. (I have most of my living area covered
with solar panels, so th
More info.
I have tested outside now. Typical TTFF for my device (FreeRunner) is
in the range 41 - 57 seconds. That is after power on FreeRunner, start
openmoko-agpsui, "press START button" (which is actually named "power
on").
Now the FreeRunner even can see satellites when I'm inside of my
apart
thomasg wrote:
> First results show at the same devices, even outdoor, that there is no fix
> in over 400 seconds with SD card, the signal seems to be at least 10 to 20
> dB worse (so bad, that most satellites don't even appear).
I did one test w/o the SD card, and it was 96 seconds TTFF, with ave
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> indeed, especially since I see possibility for it to be twofold: if it
> is not purely an issue of SD card in place putting physical stress on
> the board somehow (would be worth checking with dummy plastic
> insert instead of real SD card), it means that
>
>
I just
> Factory GPS testing is in same station, external first then internal.
With SD and without SD for both cases?
> Internal testing signal is amplified higher, initial intention is for
> fast test result and improve test stability. But seems slow test
> result
> and test instability comes from SD
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Glamo is really our pain in the ass, lots GTA02 evil's source and
> delay root cause. Actually, SD card function was verified very lated due
> to lack of original vendor support, and finally got SD card works un
Thanks for trying/reporting. 1st wild guess was wrong and that is good I
guess ;-)
> I just ran three tests. Without SD card, with SD card with tape over the
> contacts, and SD card normally. This doesn't seem to be mechanical,
> since the first two cases got fixes in ~45 seconds, and with the
On Tuesday 15 July 2008, Kalle Happonen wrote:
> Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> > indeed, especially since I see possibility for it to be twofold: if it
> > is not purely an issue of SD card in place putting physical stress on
> > the board somehow (would be worth checking with dummy plastic
> > inser
ian douglas wrote:
> For those that follow the devel and commitlog lists, there was a patch
> submitted by Andy Green @ Openmoko on the 13th suggesting that an
> increase in voltage to the GPS workings might help. I haven't tried this
> myself.
>
> The note attached said:
> "GPS internal antenn
> The note attached said:
> "GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking
> RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V."
> Perhaps Torfinn's last Email was right: it may not be an EMC problem but
> a lack of voltage?
well... you could look at those results from the other side as well:
it i
Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
>> The note attached said:
>> "GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking
>> RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V."
>
> it is a SNR issue for sure, and to boost SNR you either
> boost signal (which is what voltage raise does) or you reduce noise
> (which wha
A small piece of plastic as a switch for SD, how about that?
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
> > The note attached said:
> > "GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking
> > RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V."
>
> > Perhaps Torfinn's last Email was righ
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb ian douglas:
> For those that follow the devel and commitlog lists, there was a patch
> submitted by Andy Green @ Openmoko on the 13th suggesting that an
> increase in voltage to the GPS workings might help. I haven't tried this
> myself.
>
> The note attached said:
exactly!
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Yaroslav Halchenko:
> > The note attached said:
> > "GPS internal antenna issue appears to respond positively to cranking
> > RF_3V to 3.6V from 3.0V."
>
> > Perhaps Torfinn's last Email was right: it may not be an EMC problem but
> > a lack of voltage?
> w
It's the *internal* antenna connector, which you actually should know if you
really fixed it the way you told ;-)
Stay tuned for a fix. stay tuned for further notice.
for sure we won't ignore the issue and will come up with a solution
/j
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Gary Oliver:
> Tried the GPS l
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Ken Young:
>
> Joerg Reisenweber (joerg at openmoko.org) wrote:
>
> > wrong!
> > won't help, don't try!
> > /j
>
> That's a bit cryptic - what are you saying is wrong? It it the
> idea of removing the shielding, or the claim that the GPS performance
> improves dram
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Travis Tabbal:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:19 AM, smurfy - phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > not the best but a better (than reinserting the sd card on the fly) is
> > using a external antenna.
> >
>
>
> Not really an acceptable option for many. External GPS ante
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Timo Jyrinki:
> 2008/7/15 nick loeve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Using my account details and current location i can get agps data
> > loaded, but it still makes no difference for me getting a fix if the
> > sd card is still in place.
>
> Yes, that doesn't help getting th
thomasg schrieb:
Testresults from other people appreciated.
Confirmed, got a fix now:
http://xenobite.eu/Images/GTA02/GPS1.JPG
http://xenobite.eu/Images/GTA02/GPS2.JPG
http://xenobite.eu/Images/GTA02/GPS3.JPG
Awesome perception!
But no SD-card, no maps...
Greets
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With the greatest respect I think people have good reason to
*complain*. Looking at these lists I'd bet there are more system
engineers and developers than *ordinary* users why? because we saw a
device that was open and accepted the fact that the software was in its
infancy and perhaps rel
On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:55 PM, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> It's the *internal* antenna connector, which you actually should
> know if you
> really fixed it the way you told ;-)
Why wouldn't he have done it the way he said he'd done it? Sceptical
much?
> Stay tuned for a fix. stay tuned for fu
> I *really* don't like very much those people who start whining and
> complaining
> when the problem is dissected and solution is near.
> Just let me crawl thru the ~150 posts regarding GPS from today, and
> then we'll
> come up with some statement that will stop that whining :-)
I think you
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But acconding you, OM team is happy because there is a hardware bug in
Freerunner?
I am one of the persons that just bougth a 350 EURO phone: when I bought
the phone I was already knowing that was not an End User device.
They tried to make the hardwa
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb thomasg:
> Hi ppl,
>
> I write this to community, not to devel or owners because everyone should
> know:
> *sbeh*, one of the people in #neo1973-germany IRC-channel found the reason
> for the GPS problems.
> The problem only occurs if a SD card is set in. Doesn't matte
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Jonathan Spooner:
> but one thing that was not expected was that people would
> be spending money on a device that could have potential hardware
> issues.
You're kidding, no?
You ever bought a piece of HW you were guaranteed there is *definitively* no
hardware bug i
> You ever bought a piece of HW you were guaranteed there is
> *definitively* no
> hardware bug in it? None, or you get a billion$?
> c'mon!
>
Ever heard of Consumers rights? Lemon Laws? You can't sell hardware
that you know has bugs in it, legally, in many places around the world.
>> Perh
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joerg Reisenweber
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:29 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Cc: thomasg
> Subject: Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
>
> A
Hello,
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 11:29 PM, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So we can assume this is pretty confirmed by quite some reports now.
> Thanks to community for the awesome help on this!
And from a community member to you and the rest of the Openmoko team;
thanks for keeping
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> Please stay tuned and be patient, we'll come up with news *really soon*.
... we are here waiting for *special effects* :)
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Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Jay Vaughan:
> > You ever bought a piece of HW you were guaranteed there is
> > *definitively* no
> > hardware bug in it? None, or you get a billion$?
> > c'mon!
> >
>
> Ever heard of Consumers rights? Lemon Laws? You can't sell hardware
> that you know has bugs
ti, 2008-07-15 kello 23:29 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber kirjoitti:
> The good news: *IF* all pans out, there's (or soon will be) a new kernel at
> Andy branch that stops SD-card clock when SDcard is idle. We hope this will
> almost cure the problem, at least reduce it to sth like "you can't GPS while
Hi Jörg.
"Great" news... thanks for your update :-)
On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 23:29 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> We're about to verify a hw-fix so you could even watch video and still have
> GPS positioning during that.
What would a hardware fix mean? Recall all the devices? Let the users
repai
Le 14075ième jour après Epoch,
Jay Vaughan écrivait:
>> You ever bought a piece of HW you were guaranteed there is
>> *definitively* no
>> hardware bug in it? None, or you get a billion$?
>> c'mon!
>>
>
> Ever heard of Consumers rights? Lemon Laws? You can't sell hardware
> that you know has
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:50:50PM -0500, Robert Horton wrote:
> Thanks for all this fast testing and great work. I was worried when there
> was silence.
I suspect that a large chunk of the silence was down to the fact
that the OpenMoko people are in California, so they wouldn't have got
to wor
On 2008-07-15, Joerg Reisenweber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Jonathan Spooner:
[...]
> > Perhaps those complaining are those who can least afford to
> > blow $399.
> That's why I say I don't like those people. They never noticed the bug, and
> when we are about to disc
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Hugo Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 04:50:50PM -0500, Robert Horton wrote:
>> Thanks for all this fast testing and great work. I was worried when there
>> was silence.
>
> I suspect that a large chunk of the silence was down to the fact
Reisenweber
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:03 PM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Cc: Jay Vaughan; Jonathan Spooner
Subject: Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
Am Di 15. Juli 2008 schrieb Jay Vaughan:
> > You ever bought a piece of HW you were guaranteed there is
> > *definitively* no
Hugo Mills wrote:
> I think they've done pretty damn well
> to get a plausible fix out of the door inside a day.
Well, more than a day. The development list has had patch info from Andy
Green over a few days outlining his testing on voltage increases and
decreases on the GPS and Sd circuits.
Stil
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:community-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: Reason for GPS problems found!
>
> On Tue, Jul 15,
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 00:37 +0200, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen wrote:
> This GPS problem shows a lot about the community vs openmoko.
> Some try to help (developers?)
> Some complain (regular users?)
*G*
> But what is really amazing is that a fix is almost ready right after
> the problem was addre
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