Am Dienstag, 30. Januar 2007 04:24 schrieben Sie:
Then on what basis, Oleg, do you make the statement Free-Software-only
is the goal without prefixing that sentence with In my opinion ... ?
Because it's an unmoderated community list, and not an
Am Montag, 29. Januar 2007 02:52 schrieb Mike:
If someone from OM chimes in and
says OSS-only really is the goal, I'll buy a Palm Treo tomorrow and never
look at this project again.
Free-Software-only is the goal, but it's unfortunately not easy to achieve
and depends on our common efforts.
Am Montag, 29. Januar 2007 02:52 schrieb Mike:
If someone from OM chimes in and
says OSS-only really is the goal, I'll buy a Palm Treo tomorrow and
never
look at this project again.
Free-Software-only is the goal, but it's unfortunately not easy to achieve
and depends on our common
Am Montag, 29. Januar 2007 17:30 schrieb Mike:
Are you one of the people running the OM project?
No.
Oleg.
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Oleg Gusev wrote:
Free-Software-only is the goal, but it's unfortunately not easy to
achieve and depends on our common efforts.
Mike wrote:
Are you one of the people running the OM project?
Oleg Gusev wrote:
No.
Then on what basis, Oleg, do you make the statement Free-Software-only
is the
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Simon wrote:
GPLv3?
The GPLv3 does nothing to stop people from using DRM to protect
proprietary software.
Yeah, but try writing DRM sofware without the GNU software, which
includes glibc for your proprietary software (which realisticly,
would be linked against a GPLv3
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, David Schlesinger wrote:
I still don't see how trying to limit people's choices is more free than
letting them make their own choices.
You are leaving out one important issue here. The free market is in fact
already forcing non-free decisions on you. You can try to avoid
On 1/28/07 10:15 AM, Paul Wouters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, David Schlesinger wrote:
I still don't see how trying to limit people's choices is more free than
letting them make their own choices.
You are leaving out one important issue here. The free market is in fact
On 29 Jan 2007, at 09:52, Mike wrote:
The linux community *overall* quietly wants linux to be a walled-
off OSS
only world. They have never quite been comfortable with commercial
apps
running on the linux platform.
It's quite common to mistake the vocal minority for the overall will
of
On 26 Jan 2007, at 8:34 pm, David Schlesinger wrote:
I'd say you're instead limiting free to mean free according to
the doctrine of the Free Software Foundation. (Should I only be
eating in restaurants which will give me copies of their recipes,
for the asking, in the name of freedom...?
On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote:
It's not a matter of should. A person DOES have the freedom to run
proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that
freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in
economics).
No that's not what is
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote:
On Saturday 27 January 2007 17:23:14 Renaissance Man wrote:
It's not a matter of should. A person DOES have the freedom to run
proprietary software on their open phone if they choose, but that
freedom, if acted on, has consequences (called an externality in
economics).
2007/1/26, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
It would be nice if some more developers could be convinced that
Prepare fancy build system with compilation on demand, then build
dedicated software package for every customer, with
Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisał:
For real paranoid sellers:
Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or
mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every
embdded system so that even hacking out the program from the embedded
Salve Marcin!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia pi?tek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisa?:
For real paranoid sellers:
Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or
mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every
There is no management in a company of one or two people.
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot. Indeed, it
was not about the DRM in this case: There was some variation of it and
it was easily cracked. The
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On 26/01/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
phones
On 26/01/07, Dean Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dave, whilst all software is free - rent isn't (oh and that nasty habit
of eating every 6-8 hours is a real bitch as well).
Of course there will be commercial software available for the OpenMoko
community.
If this is commercial free software,
: Friday, 26 January 2007 10:55 AM
To: OpenMoko
Subject: Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
On 26/01/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot.
Proprietary software
The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has
mapping software that I want to use, I shouldn't have to jump through
hoops to get it. I should just be able to go into the market place, go
to 'Non-Free Software', and buy the TomTom app.
Your argument may be 'but every software
Two guys I know invested time into porting their game from PalmOS to
phones. It didn't sell at all but was pirated quite a lot.
Proprietary software developers often refer to unauthorised copying as
piracy.
This terms implies that copying is ethically equivalent to attacking
ships on the high
On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 10:58 -0600, Jonathon Suggs wrote:Dave Crossland
wrote:
But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it.
There's no ethical problem.
Sorry Dave, but you are wrong. There IS an ethical problem. Just
because you CAN do something doesn't mean that
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Date: 26-Jan-2007 18:06
Subject: Re: Possibilities for commercial software?
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On 26/01/07, Peter A Trotter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
proprietary software. If you want
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 10:04:54PM +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote:
What about DRM, is there a way to bind a program to a sync ID like
it's usually done with PalmOS or to a device ID? (It should be
possible to bind it to an SD card ID, right?)
While I'm not in charge of marketing or strategic
On 26/01/07, Jonathon Suggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really hate to get in on this discussion
Talking about freedom is important, so thank you for your polite and
rational contribution.
Dave Crossland wrote:
But when I copy software, no one loses it and another person gets it.
There's
Grey areas.
Actually, I don't think it's grey at all. The decision maker, as far as how a
work can be published and/or sold, is the copyright holder.
Copyright is the _right_ to _copy_. If you're not the copyright holder, and you
haven't been granted a right to copy by the copyright holder,
On 26/01/07, David Schlesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See whether you get charged with something like theft (or
infringement of copyright, which is tantamount to theft...)
Infringement of copyright is very, very different to theft.
If I shoplift some food from my local
store, no one
On 1/26/07 10:33 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The original point was: It doesn't make sense to equate copying
digital information with stealing physical objects.
No...? If you were to come into possession tomorrow of a copy of the
yet-to-be-published seventh Harry Potter book,
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote:
So I sincerely doubt that OpenMoko would ever actively support
proprietary applications (e.g. by DRM hooks). We certainly cannot do
anything against them, though.
GPLv3?
Paul
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On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 22:04 +0100, Ortwin Regel wrote:
I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online
marketplace? What about DRM, is there a
On 1/26/07 11:01 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If it's not the author's wish that the software be freely
copy-able, which is certainly a desire the author's quite
entitled to have
I am less certain, and judging from most people's actions, I think you
are in quite a minority
On 1/26/07, Paul Wouters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Harald Welte wrote:
So I sincerely doubt that OpenMoko would ever actively support
proprietary applications (e.g. by DRM hooks). We certainly cannot do
anything against them, though.
GPLv3?
The GPLv3 does nothing to
On 1/26/07 10:47 AM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your argument may be 'but every software for the phone really should
be free - people will write it'. However, if someone hasn't come up
with an absolutely free, modifiable mapping software, I should just be
able to get the
It may seem obvious to you that copyright law is about protecting
authors...
Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is
granted the right to enact statutes To promote the Progress of Science and
useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors
Only because it says so, right there in the US Constitution: Congress is
granted the right to enact statutes To promote the Progress of Science and
useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
As I said,
I'm sorry to stick my nose into this possible bees-nest.
But I feel I have to object a little here.
On 1/26/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 26/01/07, Richard Boehme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point I bring from this is that if, for instance, TomTom has
mapping software that I
Am Donnerstag, 25. Januar 2007 22:04 schrieb Ortwin Regel:
What about DRM
Defective by design ?
is there a way to bind a program to a
sync ID like it's usually done with PalmOS or to a device ID? (It
should be possible to bind it to an SD card ID, right?)
Don't forget that all data goes
Hello Ortwin,
On 1/25/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like open source and stuff but some things, especially games, are
closed in many cases. What are the possibilities for selling closed
software for OpenMoko devices? Will there be a central online
marketplace?
I think that there
On 1/26/07, Ortwin Regel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I share your opinions but try to tell that to some developers... :-/
They feel safer if they can bind their program to only work with one
hotsync ID, one device, one SD card... Even if it does not work.
It would be nice if some more developers
Twas brillig at 01:17:56 26.01.2007 UTC+01 when Ortwin Regel did gyre and
gimble:
OR I share your opinions but try to tell that to some
OR developers... :-/ They feel safer if they can bind their program
OR to only work with one hotsync ID, one device, one SD card...
I bet it's not the
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