Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-04-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:31:03 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > interesting you mention this. i actually thought of using aspell as the > > core of a probability and correction matching engine, but as such it's api > > isn't

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-04-06 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: interesting you mention this. i actually thought of using aspell as the core of a probability and correction matching engine, but as such it's api isn't sufficient to use it. That was my idea/hope too... so anyway- aspell would have been great - it'd off

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-04-06 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:41:24 +0100 "Flemming Richter Mikkelsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On 3/1/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:50:14 +0100 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> i WANT to type "waste". > > > > i press w -

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-27 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 3/1/08, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:50:14 +0100 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > i WANT to type "waste". > > i press w - but really my finger may easily hit q,e,a or s - maybe even r, d, > z > or t. as such every key has

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-06 Thread Karsten Ensinger
Lorn Potter wrote: On Monday 03 March 2008, Karsten Ensinger wrote: [...] Survey (after half an hour of testing and three complete screen lockups): I don't want to put down the implementation of the Qtopia keyboard at all. I have much respect for the quality one can see. But to me it seems as i

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-03 Thread Lorn Potter
On Monday 03 March 2008, Karsten Ensinger wrote: > Then I started Qtopia (without a SIM card inserted) and had a look > at the notes application (this was the first application I found > which offers text input). > The keyboard contained only lower case characters and there was no > obvious way t

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-03 Thread Shawn Rutledge
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 12:47 AM, Karsten Ensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry to jump into the thread this late, but I am wondering > if you already examined the following Wiki-Link? > We had a very extensive discussion about text input running > on the community list several months ago.

RE: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-03 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
community discussion Cc: "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" Subject: Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers... Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: > Karsten Ensinger ha scritto: >> I am afraid, I have to admit that I have NOT tried the Trolltech stuff >> at all. Maybe

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-03 Thread Karsten Ensinger
Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Karsten Ensinger ha scritto: I am afraid, I have to admit that I have NOT tried the Trolltech stuff at all. Maybe because I thought I would deceive the openmoko movement by trying "other" stuff on the Neo. ;-) I will give it a try until next weekend and will chang

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-02 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 3/1/08 Karsten Ensinger wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: > On 3/1/08 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: >> On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:47:31 +0100 Karsten Ensinger >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >> >> > > If I remember correctly, "all" participants of the discussion >> > > came to the conclusion

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 21:10:14 +0100 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ha scritto: > > thats why dictionaries can be added to, imported, words learnt automatically > > and added, etc. etc. :) > > I had also an idea about this... What about a

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-01 Thread Ortwin Regel
On 3/1/08, Ortwin Regel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/1/08, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 3/1/08 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > > On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:47:31 +0100 Karsten Ensinger > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > > > > > > Sorry to jump into the thread

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-01 Thread Ortwin Regel
On 3/1/08, Sean Moss-Pultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/1/08 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:47:31 +0100 Karsten Ensinger > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > > > > > Sorry to jump into the thread this late, but I am wondering > > > > if you already examined

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-01 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Karsten Ensinger ha scritto: I am afraid, I have to admit that I have NOT tried the Trolltech stuff at all. Maybe because I thought I would deceive the openmoko movement by trying "other" stuff on the Neo. ;-) I will give it a try until next weekend and will change my mind if it is as cool as you

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-01 Thread Karsten Ensinger
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 3/1/08 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:47:31 +0100 Karsten Ensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > If I remember correctly, "all" participants of the discussion > > came to the conclusion, that a regular qwerty keyboard is not > > suffi

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-01 Thread Sean Moss-Pultz
On 3/1/08 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:47:31 +0100 Karsten Ensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > Sorry to jump into the thread this late, but I am wondering > > if you already examined the following Wiki-Link? > > We had a very extensive discussion about tex

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-03-01 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 08:47:31 +0100 Karsten Ensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Sorry to jump into the thread this late, but I am wondering > if you already examined the following Wiki-Link? > We had a very extensive discussion about text input running > on the community list several months ago

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-29 Thread Karsten Ensinger
Sorry to jump into the thread this late, but I am wondering if you already examined the following Wiki-Link? We had a very extensive discussion about text input running on the community list several months ago. Nearly all proposals were documented on the following Wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/w

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-29 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:50:14 +0100 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > What you're talking about already exists - the qtopia guis have such a > > predictive qwerty keyboard that works - maybe it's possible for you to > > give it a try or find a video. > > No it isn't th

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-29 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
Without a doubt it's slower then standard-qwerty if you take only the non-capital non-special chars. The biggest problem with qwerty is, that you simply don't have the space to make it usable on the neo in non-landscape mode. Apple has a really good and efficient design for their qwerty keyboard on

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-29 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
At moment it's only square - with the reason to need as less space as possible (like you can see it needs about the same amount of space on the screen as the matchbox-keyboard but way more efficient). As I use the efl and especially Edje as layout engine, it's no problem at all to just make a circu

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-29 Thread enaut
Thomas Gstädtner schrieb: > I don't think qwerty is what we want really. > Also that it requires only one keypress per letter is not fully true, > as you have to use "shift" very often (capitals, special charakters, ...). > Imho the display on the neo is way to small to have qwerty. The iphone > sh

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-29 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
I don't think qwerty is what we want really. Also that it requires only one keypress per letter is not fully true, as you have to use "shift" very often (capitals, special charakters, ...). Imho the display on the neo is way to small to have qwerty. The iphone shows, that eben the much bigger scree

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-24 Thread Steven **
I just played with the java applet version: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/TryJavaDasherNow.html -Steven On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 9:08 AM, JW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24/02/2008, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I found dasher to be very usable with a mouse. > > Its an

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-24 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
JW ha scritto: On 24/02/2008, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I found dasher to be very usable with a mouse. Well, after few minutes of use I felt more confortable with it, but I'm always slower (I think) than using other mobile inputs... Anyway while writing in english with it was much

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-24 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2/24/08, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > I've tried dasher on my PC but it doesn't seem usable with the mouse, I > can't guess using a finger... Maybe I'm wrong while using it, but it > seems really hard to use! I tried dasher on my laptop with the joystick mouse thin

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:38:50 -0500 "Kevin Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Having fussed myself about the change from QWERTY to T9, what raster > is planning solves the issue. I actually prefer non-qwerty as long as > there's some kind of predictive input that reduced the number of key > press

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-24 Thread JW
On 24/02/2008, Steven ** <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I found dasher to be very usable with a mouse. Its an intriguing concept! 1) (long but interesting) dasher Google talk http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvideo.google.com%2Fvideoplay%3Fdocid%3D5078334075080674416&ei=

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-24 Thread Steven **
I found dasher to be very usable with a mouse. I played with it for just a few minutes and was already "typing" faster than I do on my cellphone with T9 equivalent. The only hard part was finding some of the punctuation. Once I have those positions memorized, I think I could blaze through conver

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-24 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:53:34 -0300 "Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: i intend to first give a predictive qwerty keyboard a go - why? well qwerty is familiar and requires only 1 press per letter. it seems the qtopia predictive kbd works pretty well on the gta01 and gta02 - so

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-23 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 10:43 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri ha scritto: > > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I'm really excited waiting for the Freerunner to be available to the

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-23 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Flemming Richter Mikkelsen ha scritto: ... That's why I think it's not a good option. We better keep with some kind variation of T9. I already talked to rasterman about that and he ... The major problem with T9 is it takes time to train and have it behave ... What we need to do is implem

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
... > That's why I think it's not a good option. We better keep with some > kind variation of T9. I already talked to rasterman about that and he ... > The major problem with T9 is it takes time to train and have it behave ... > What we need to do is implement something fast, with good feedback

Re: Virtual QWERTY Keyboards to be used with Fingers...

2008-02-23 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM, "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm really excited waiting for the Freerunner to be available to the > public, so I'm looking around searching the resources I'll need more. > > I think that one of the most important thing when it comes to t