Re: How to see how full my battery is?

2008-08-06 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 18:20 +0300, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Hi, kazaam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's some symbol in the try looking a bit like a black battery with a lightning symbol in it. Is this meaning it's loading? And where do I see how full it is? I tried acpi -v

Re: battery again

2008-08-01 Thread Matthew Lane
W.Kenworthy wrote: While in a meeting, I let the battery run down to 0% (as read by apm) Now when I plug it into usb, I get cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode gives play-only and cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type gives host/500mA usb mode 100mA

Re: battery again

2008-08-01 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | While in a meeting, I let the battery run down to 0% (as read by apm) | | Now when I plug it into usb, I get | | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode gives play-only | | and | | cat /sys/class

Re: battery again

2008-08-01 Thread W.Kenworthy
On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 02:04 -0400, Matthew Lane wrote: W.Kenworthy wrote: While in a meeting, I let the battery run down to 0% (as read by apm) ... I believe the neo sometimes can use more than 100mA to operate, so just plugging it in without enabling fast charge could STILL discharge

Re: battery again

2008-08-01 Thread Mikael Berthe
Hi, * Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-08-01 08:37 +0200]: | Now when I plug it into usb, I get | | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode gives play-only | | and | | cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type gives host/500mA | usb mode 100mA I've almost the same

battery again

2008-07-31 Thread W.Kenworthy
While in a meeting, I let the battery run down to 0% (as read by apm) Now when I plug it into usb, I get cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode gives play-only and cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/charger_type gives host/500mA usb mode 100mA Is it charging (at 100ma) and I

Re: battery again

2008-07-31 Thread Angus Ainslie
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Forcing_fast_charge_mode On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:06 PM, W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While in a meeting, I let the battery run down to 0% (as read by apm) Now when I plug it into usb, I get cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/chgmode gives play

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-24 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Andy Green wrote: | Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | And temp in 0.25 Kelvin | | steps -- Celcius in 0.1 steps. But this is basically scaling up | | operation and you see otherwise unmassaged

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page

2008-07-24 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 23. Juli 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | Is there a Wiki page or docs that explain what each register is and | the units it refers to? | | especially in the .../power_supply/bat/... area which seems to have | very pertinent information. | | I

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Andy Green wrote: | | Jeffrey, if you are interested about what the battery experiences, there | are a bunch of goodies from the Coulomb Counter in the battery | accessible down /sys/class/power_supply/bat

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page

2008-07-23 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | Is there a Wiki page or docs that explain what each register is and | the units it refers to? | | especially in the .../power_supply/bat/... area which seems to have | very pertinent information. | | I

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page

2008-07-23 Thread arne anka
I made a start on documenting the more interesting /sys files here: ~ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs nice! i fiddled around with ...leds/.../trigger (actually, i modified the sysfsutils script from debian to run on the fr, will post this evening) and set blue to full and orange

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page

2008-07-23 Thread Andy Green
, today's kernel packages should fix it. http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=46159c9a3fba291d106625092fd62358548894e0 Even when your battery is full, if you pull and reinsert USB it should give charging a go for a while then stop itself. - -Andy -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Charles-Henri Gros
And temp in 0.25 Kelvin steps -- Celcius in 0.1 steps. But this is basically scaling up operation and you see otherwise unmassaged data. ? 1K step = 1 degree Celsius step -- Charles-Henri ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page

2008-07-23 Thread Jim Morris
Andy Green wrote: I made a start on documenting the more interesting /sys files here: ~ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_sysfs Excellent thank you exactly what I was looking for! -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Charles-Henri Gros
Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | And temp in 0.25 Kelvin | steps -- Celcius in 0.1 steps. But this is basically scaling up | operation and you see otherwise unmassaged data. | | ? | 1K step = 1 degree Celsius step Scaling up operation refers to the sentence

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Yorick Moko
i can reproduce 2 but i won't do it again :) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02. 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable plugged into a computer, removing the battery

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-23, Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i can reproduce 2 but i won't do it again :) On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02. 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02) / sysfs wiki page

2008-07-23 Thread Michael Shiloh
Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | Is there a Wiki page or docs that explain what each register is and | the units it refers to? | | especially in the .../power_supply/bat/... area which seems to have | very

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Andy Green
needs a battery in and the battery needs some decent charge left in it, for the reason briefly during startup it needs to eat more current that it is allowed via USB. It causes a brownout at that time since the USB current limit does its job well, it chokes and restarts repeatedly. The source

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Dale Schumacher
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right, to start Freerunner needs a battery in and the battery needs some decent charge left in it, for the reason briefly during startup it needs to eat more current that it is allowed via USB. It causes a brownout

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-23 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | That's right, to start Freerunner needs a battery in and the battery | needs some decent charge

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-22 Thread Jim Morris
Andy Green wrote: Jeffrey, if you are interested about what the battery experiences, there are a bunch of goodies from the Coulomb Counter in the battery accessible down /sys/class/power_supply/bat, just cat them. These tell you the battery's view of what is going on directly. # cat /sys

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-20 Thread Andy Green
more. | The factory image ran with a dimmed screen (no suspend) for a good 6 | hours and only drained to 64% according to asm. The latest daily | build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s). | How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power? There's two

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-20 Thread Flyin_bbb8
) for a good 6 | hours and only drained to 64% according to asm. The latest daily | build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s). | How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power? There's two levels of supicion you can apply to check what's really going

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-20 Thread W.Kenworthy
Use /usr/bin/hcitool scan from net-wireless/bluez-utils (gentoo) - this picks up any promiscuous bluetooth transmitters in range. BillK On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 09:54 -0500, Steven ** wrote: I've noticed significantly reduced runtime when using one of the ... build completely drained the battery

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-20 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am So 20. Juli 2008 schrieb Flyin_bbb8: what's the hungriest of all? or if we can have a list of all the hungry stuff in the FR sorted from the one starving to the one who needs a snack? GSM-active-call/GPRS data TX [up to 2A peak, 1A avg] (USB-host mode [up to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) LCM-light

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-19 Thread Steven **
to 64% according to asm. The latest daily build completely drained the battery in 6 hours (even after asm -s). How can I check to ensure that the BT module isn't drawing power? -Steven On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 7:11 AM, Steven ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems I was a little too ambitious

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Adam Talbot
I just got a running SIM card :-) My FR likes to resume at lease once a min. If you were to take a stealth approach, it would be doing 100's of resumes in a day. Which is fine, if you want to test resume ;-) I think we need to block this at a uBoot level. Perhaps a black list of events? -Adam

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-18 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On 2008-07-18, Thomas Seiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | What's the advantage of enabling the charger? | | Well without it literally it won't charge the battery from USB power. | It's fine to enable

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Fr 18. Juli 2008 schrieb Adam Talbot: I just got a running SIM card :-) My FR likes to resume at lease once a min. If you were to take a stealth approach, it would be doing 100's of resumes in a day. Which is fine, if you want to test resume ;-) What's wrong with 100's of resumes / day,

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread arne anka
What's wrong with 100's of resumes / day, as long as each one takes no longer than 2~3sec, and is on low power profile? the screen becomes senstive to tapping -- and if your fr is in a place where taps to the screen might occur frequently (say in your bag) it will never suspend. btw: are

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | What's wrong with 100's of resumes / day, as long as each one takes no | longer | than 2~3sec, and is on low power profile? | | the screen becomes senstive to tapping -- and if your fr is in a place | where

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Backlight should be fixed for a couple of days now: | | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=commitdiff;h=db07519c1dfe916bcf9644 | bfdc4d7c03707a979e | | That's good to hear, thanks. Will this be in the

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Roland Mas
Andy Green, 2008-07-18 10:29:54 +0100 : Somebody in the thread at some point said: | What's wrong with 100's of resumes / day, as long as each one takes no | longer | than 2~3sec, and is on low power profile? | | the screen becomes senstive to tapping -- and if your fr is in a place |

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-18 Thread Olivier Berger
Jeffrey Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've actually been able to run the phone without a battery. I booted it, plugged in the wall charger, and removed the battery. It sat working for an indefinite period of time, while registered to the GSM network and with GPS and wifi on (I was testing

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Steven **
It seems I was a little too ambitious with this test. I ran apm -s and then went to bed. I woke up to a spiffy dead battery less than 6 hours later. :-/ -Steven On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:11 PM, Adam Talbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently using the 20080716 build, from: http

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Andy Green, 2008-07-18 10:29:54 +0100 : | | Somebody in the thread at some point said: | | What's wrong with 100's of resumes / day, as long as each one takes no | | longer | | than 2~3sec, and is on low

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread arne anka
You and Arne are quite right, suspend is subject to random wakes from GSM world too at the moment and that can lead to the same result. Carsten wants to deal with wakes in his daemon so we're waiting on that. is there a way to detect when it wakes? a hook to plug custom actions into? then,

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
of these moments of short resumes the screen ist tapped and again and again the fr would never resume thus draining the battery quickliy. And what is it that stops us from disabling ts, just reenabling it when we see a valid wake-source to stay in user-land (e.g. inbound call, RTC, powerbutton...)? /j

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Fr 18. Juli 2008 schrieb arne anka: You and Arne are quite right, suspend is subject to random wakes from GSM world too at the moment and that can lead to the same result. Carsten wants to deal with wakes in his daemon so we're waiting on that. is there a way to detect when it

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread arne anka
And what is it that stops us from disabling ts, just reenabling it when we see a valid wake-source to stay in user-land (e.g. inbound call, RTC, powerbutton...)? my question exactly. ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Roland Mas
arne anka, 2008-07-18 15:09:01 +0200 : is there a way to detect when it wakes? a hook to plug custom actions into? You might try sticking a script in /etc/apm/resume.d, at least as a first approach. Roland. -- Roland Mas Certains disent que les vrais hommes ne font pas de backups. Mais ils

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Pomeroy Lab
I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much. Mathieu Rochette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread arne anka
I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much. please, check the archives and the wiki -- there are fora already. else you could follow the

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Dan Leinir Turthra Jensen
Friday 18 July 2008 arne anka wrote: I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much. please, check the archives and the wiki -- there are

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:01:59 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: You and Arne are quite right, suspend is subject to random wakes from GSM world too at the moment and that can lead to the same result. Carsten wants to deal with wakes in his daemon so we're waiting on that. waiting on

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Pomeroy Lab [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much. no - this has

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread The Rasterman
and any tap would prevent the fr from going back to suspend -- so if in one of these moments of short resumes the screen ist tapped and again and again the fr would never resume thus draining the battery quickliy. And what is it that stops us from disabling ts, just reenabling it when

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:01:59 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: | | You and Arne are quite right, suspend is subject to random wakes from | GSM world too at the moment and that can lead to the same

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread arne anka
waiting on backlight to be left alone. daemon is done and already in ASU and being used by both illume and qtopia. backlight will come on on wake right now regardless until ompower (the daemon) changes its policy (code). :) how toolkit specific is that daemon? i do use 2007.2 and would

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:29:32 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:01:59 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: | | You and Arne are quite right, suspend is subject

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-18 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Jeffrey Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | I've actually been able to run the phone without a battery. I booted it, | plugged in the wall charger, and removed the battery. | It sat working

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Joachim Steiger
arne anka wrote: I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much. please, check the archives and the wiki -- there are fora already. else

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 16:34:05 +0200 arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: waiting on backlight to be left alone. daemon is done and already in ASU and being used by both illume and qtopia. backlight will come on on wake right now regardless until ompower (the daemon) changes its

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread arne anka
please also test http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html that's great -- another step towards an one-stop. in opera it is rendered as an iframe to small to fit so the content needs scrolling -- but with firefox3 it is no iframe but simply cut off if the window is too small. resizing the window

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:36:53 +1000 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:29:32 +0100 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Fri, 18 Jul 2008

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Anders Bo Rasmussen
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 06:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Pomeroy Lab wrote: I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead. I've been part of a lot of mailing lists and this one is too much. You can read this mailing list

Split the List was Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-18 Thread Scott Derrick
I agree, I think it should be split, its getting out of hand. Hardware Software Applications Software Kernel/Boot Administrator etc Scott Pomeroy Lab wrote: I'm thinking of getting out of this mailing list because it fills up my inbox each day. Can someone please create a forum instead.

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Ken Restivo
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:33:18AM -0700, Adam Talbot wrote: dimlock != suspend :-) If the screen is off, the system is still fully running, and sucking down power. When you suspend, all running processes are cashed into ram, then the rest of the hardware is turned off, with the exception

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:54:41 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It seems to turn off several seconds after the battery is removed. Probably

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Kalle Happonen
Hi, I just installed script, and made a menu command for it to see what it does to my battery. However, the phone wakes up inside a few minutes. Someone earlier wrote: That's currently the crux of the problem, and why I don't yet use suspend. It resumes on cell registration messages, and each

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread arne anka
Dim+nolock is choosen, as dim+lock seems to crash the device and I have to remove the battery to reboot (nothing else works). Does anybody else dim+lock is supposed to wake only when you touch the power button, imo. ___ Openmoko community mailing

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 20:12 -0600, Scott Derrick wrote: you got a SD card plugged in? Nope (due to our GPS issue ;) ) smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Adam Talbot
apm -s ??? -Adam On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 01:09 -0700, Ken Restivo wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:33:18AM -0700, Adam Talbot wrote: dimlock != suspend :-) If the screen is off, the system is still fully running, and sucking down power. When you suspend, all running processes are cashed

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:54:41 +0200, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | | 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable | plugged into a computer, removing the battery

Re: Suspend Mode, was Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Andy Green
have successfully put my phone to sleep and then see it wake up by an | incoming call that I could accept – so that works. I haven’t tested it | often enough to say anything about reliability. Just to give an idea of where the battery goes (this is current at battery): ~ ~190mA running normally

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi, | I just installed script, and made a menu command for it to see what it | does to my battery. However, the phone wakes up inside a few minutes. | Someone earlier wrote: | | That's currently the crux

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Subject to wakeups caused by cell reregistration this is true. This isn't a | complaint - keep reading ;-) It does a wake to full backlight too, which is | distracting and wastes power Backlight should be

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
. This seems to be to do with the PMU charger deciding to start charging empty air making trouble. The charger is autonomous and runs by itself on its own schedule. Maybe we can find a way to defeat this behaviour, but for now you need a battery in to boot and to stay running. Did it work

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Mathieu Rochette
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carsten has started on a daemon to handle wakes in userspace that should eventually parse this and figure out if it can go back to suspend silently once the wake reason was serviced. should it be possible to disable a

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Andy Green
this behaviour, | but for now you need a battery in to boot and to stay running. | | Did it work and then regress, or has it never worked? I remember people on | the list mentioning running without a battery. I ran without a battery for many weeks earlier in the year. It seems to be specifically

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:19:13 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran without a battery for many weeks earlier in the year. It seems to be specifically if we enable the PMU charger with no battery, it freaks out and goes to PMU STANDBY state. Earlier in the year, we didn't enable

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 23:19:13 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | I ran without a battery for many weeks earlier in the year. It seems to | be specifically if we enable the PMU charger

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Al Johnson
On Thursday 17 July 2008, Andy Green wrote: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Subject to wakeups caused by cell reregistration this is true. This isn't a | complaint - keep reading ;-) It does a wake to full backlight too, which is | distracting and wastes power Backlight

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Jeffrey Malone
I've actually been able to run the phone without a battery. I booted it, plugged in the wall charger, and removed the battery. It sat working for an indefinite period of time, while registered to the GSM network and with GPS and wifi on (I was testing to see if removing the battery could aid GPS

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Thomas Seiler
| What's the advantage of enabling the charger? Well without it literally it won't charge the battery from USB power. It's fine to enable it except when it notices there is no battery there for some reason. Question: Would it help to query the ADC and check for some battery voltage prior

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-17 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 2008-07-18, Thomas Seiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | What's the advantage of enabling the charger? Well without it literally it won't charge the battery from USB power. It's fine to enable it except when it notices there is no battery there for some reason. Question: Would it help

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-17 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Do 17. Juli 2008 schrieb Mathieu Rochette: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carsten has started on a daemon to handle wakes in userspace that should eventually parse this and figure out if it can go back to suspend silently once the wake reason

Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-16 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02. 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It seems to turn off several seconds after the battery is removed. If the battery is replaced quickly

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Scott Derrick
that more isn't being said about the battery lifetime people are seeing? I just read an article in Information Week that cited a large poll concerning users of mobile devices. What was the number 1 issue, far and above any other issue people are concerned about and want to see improvement. Yes

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Scott Derrick
/resume functionality. I don't know if there's an image that has those changes available though. It's not a hardware issue... -Steven On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed that more isn't being said about the battery lifetime people

Re: Operation without battery (GTA02)

2008-07-16 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 16. Juli 2008 schrieb Alexey Feldgendler: I have two 100% reproducible issues with my GTA02. 1. When running with the battery in (charged enough) and a USB cable plugged into a computer, removing the battery makes the phone die. It seems to turn off several seconds after

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Adam Talbot
This is how I do it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Nomeata On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 14:50 +0200, arne anka wrote: Wow thats fantastic! First I have heard. Gladly I will admit to raising a non-issue, sorry. i absolutely don't think it is a non-issue -- on the contrary! besides tony tu

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
This is how I do it. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Nomeata read it already, but that should basically be the same as dimlock, shouldn't it? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Adam Talbot
dimlock != suspend :-) If the screen is off, the system is still fully running, and sucking down power. When you suspend, all running processes are cashed into ram, then the rest of the hardware is turned off, with the exception of the GMS modem, and ram. Check out the S3 state:

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread arne anka
dimlock != suspend :-) i learned yesterday that dimlock == suspend and the messages scrolling over the screen before the lock screen comes back when [pressing pwr | incoming call | fr wakes up frequently] prove that imho. dim!lock != suspend

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Kalle Happonen
, without me having used it at all. But I know there's work on improving this, and some nice results too, and I'm ok with this now. For real use, the current battery life just doesn't work in most cases. As for the other stuff in the mail, people have been fighting with sim cards, gsm (o/), gps (o

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Adam Talbot
it 24 hours then hit the power button. It should come up in about 2 seconds, then check you battery health. If you want exact numbers run 'apm'. I open this challenge up to every one. What are your number for a 24 hours suspend? Battery before/after. Yes, suspend is unstable, it does not always

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Yorick Moko
into your FR and execute an 'apm -s'. Give it 24 hours then hit the power button. It should come up in about 2 seconds, then check you battery health. If you want exact numbers run 'apm'. I open this challenge up to every one. What are your number for a 24 hours suspend? Battery before

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread ian douglas
Yorick Moko wrote: maybe it would help if there was standard a button to click on to suspend the phone (maybe label it Suspend(Bèta)) because it seems most people are not aware of something other than dimlock If someone's going to get into adding buttons: Our group last night agreed having a

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Scott Derrick
Chris, you got a SD card plugged in? Scott Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: How are you doing this? If I fully charge my GTA02 battery before I go to bed,.. it will be nearly empty when I wake up (I seep 7-8 hours),... Dim+nolock is choosen, as dim+lock seems to crash the device and I have

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Steven **
I too am using the 2007.2 image upgraded. But I have no problem with dim+lock. I haven't had my FreeRunner for long enough to definitively say how long the battery will last. But I had it at work today, showing it off several times. The remaining time it mostly sat on my desk with dim+lock (I

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-16 Thread Adam Talbot
is currently unstable. Just give it a 12~100 hour test, let me know. apm with out any arguments will give you the battery status. None of this is any good if I am the only one who can get these numbers ;-) -Adam On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 21:35 -0500, Steven ** wrote: I too am using the 2007.2 image upgraded

Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-15 Thread Steven **
I assume this is planned, but I'll go ahead an say it. I think the Freerunner should have a software feature to detect when the battery is critically low and shutdown. Ideally, the boot process would also check the battery and refuse to boot(or at least require override) if the battery charge

Re: Can't boot Freerunner without battery - Was: Re: unable to start up freerunner after batterie was full down

2008-07-15 Thread Yorick Moko
should have a software feature to detect when the battery is critically low and shutdown. Ideally, the boot process would also check the battery and refuse to boot(or at least require override) if the battery charge was below the critical mark. This would prevent the state where you have a dead

Battery Lifetime

2008-07-15 Thread Scott Derrick
I'm amazed that more isn't being said about the battery lifetime people are seeing? I just read an article in Information Week that cited a large poll concerning users of mobile devices. What was the number 1 issue, far and above any other issue people are concerned about and want to see

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-15 Thread Ken Restivo
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 08:19:38PM -0600, Scott Derrick wrote: I'm amazed that more isn't being said about the battery lifetime people are seeing? I just read an article in Information Week that cited a large poll concerning users of mobile devices. What was the number 1 issue, far

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-15 Thread Adam Talbot
... -Steven On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:19 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm amazed that more isn't being said about the battery lifetime people are seeing? I just read an article in Information Week that cited a large poll concerning users of mobile devices. What was the number 1

Re: Battery Lifetime

2008-07-15 Thread Kalle Happonen
This is great news indeed! Since I'm adventurous, and thought I'd take the Freerunner into phone use immideately, this has been the biggest obstacle for normal use so far. With decent battery life I'd be a Very Happy User. Adam Talbot wrote: This is all with my FreeRunner. 144 hours

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