Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-04-09 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hello, pushing this over to smartphones-standards to raise awareness. On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:24:21 +0800 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 18:15 +0200, Daniel Willmann wrote: Hi, Well, timekeeping is independent from that. The UTC time will stay

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-04-01 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:15:34 +0300 Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel Willmann dan...@openmoko.org writes: I think (not sure) that Qt Extended uses the time(zone) cellbroadcast messages which are broadcasted by some operators. Looks like +CTZV unsolicited message doesn't

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-04-01 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hi, On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:59:20 +0900 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: No, otimed sucks for a number of reasons (not the least being hard coded to an NTP server somewhere in Europe) so control like you are after is critical. just wanted to follow up on this. From the sample

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-04-01 Thread Angus Ainslie
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 18:15 +0200, Daniel Willmann wrote: Hi, On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:59:20 +0900 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: No, otimed sucks for a number of reasons (not the least being hard coded to an NTP server somewhere in Europe) so control like you are after is

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-04-01 Thread William Kenworthy
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 18:15 +0200, Daniel Willmann wrote: Hi, Well, timekeeping is independent from that. The UTC time will stay right no matter what timezone you're in. Unfortunately it doesnt - wanders all over the place, usually lagging. If I notice it, I usually find otimed.py has

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-16 Thread Paul Fertser
Daniel Willmann dan...@openmoko.org writes: I think (not sure) that Qt Extended uses the time(zone) cellbroadcast messages which are broadcasted by some operators. Looks like +CTZV unsolicited message doesn't actually supply timezone information (which must include country-specific DST

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-16 Thread Chris Samuel
On Monday 16 March 2009, Daniel Willmann wrote: I think (not sure) that Qt Extended uses the time(zone) cellbroadcast messages which are broadcasted by some operators. Yeah, I think you're right, the code says: The TimeUpdate service monitors time and timezone data from sources such

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:35:37 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: BTW, the date was automatically set, somehow, some days later. Is this done when there is a phone call? (I have few phone calls). Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Chris Samuel
On Sunday 15 March 2009, Daniel Willmann wrote: Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're associated to. Since this is annoying for a couple of people we'll probably make this optional/prompt for new timezone. Qt Extended has 3 options for this - Always, Ask

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hello, On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:05 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: 1) I got the date reset to 1970 a few times. I was not paying attention but I guess this happens when battery is removed, i.e., there's no battery specific for the clock? there is a backup battery, but in

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Fernando Martins
Daniel Willmann wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:35:37 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: BTW, the date was automatically set, somehow, some days later. Is this done when there is a phone call? (I have few phone calls). Timezone will be set according to the

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:31:18 +1100 Chris Samuel ch...@csamuel.org wrote: On Sunday 15 March 2009, Daniel Willmann wrote: Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're associated to. Since this is annoying for a couple of people we'll probably make this

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Fernando Martins
Daniel, many thanks for your replies, please see below. Daniel Willmann wrote: Hello, On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:05 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: there is a backup battery, but in my experience it only takes a couple hours without battery until the time is lost

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:41:03 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: Timezone will be set according to the nationality of the GSM network you're associated to. Since this is annoying for a couple of people we'll probably make this optional/prompt for new

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:36:29 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: there is a backup battery, but in my experience it only takes a couple hours without battery until the time is lost again. But now I wonder: usually I keep the phone switched off during

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am So 15. März 2009 schrieb Fernando Martins: Daniel, many thanks for your replies, please see below. Daniel Willmann wrote: Hello, On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:05 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: there is a backup battery, but in my experience it only takes a

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Fernando Martins
Daniel Willmann wrote: I'm not sure I understand completely. I can't see why one wouldn't want to set the proper time (maybe with an offset option for people notoriously being late so they can set the clock to real-time + 5min). Could you explain some more what you mean by that? Ok, this

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:14:23 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: I'm not sure I understand completely. I can't see why one wouldn't want to set the proper time (maybe with an offset option for people notoriously being late so they can set the clock to

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Fernando Martins
Daniel Willmann wrote: But now I wonder: usually I keep the phone switched off during the night, and since I use it rarely, sometimes I forget it switched off at home. Is it the case that, when FR is switched off, the main battery does not feed the backup battery? (yeah it sounds weird, the

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Fernando Martins
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am So 15. März 2009 schrieb Fernando Martins: Daniel, many thanks for your replies, please see below. Daniel Willmann wrote: Hello, On Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:19:05 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: there is a backup battery, but in my

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Fernando Martins
Daniel Willmann wrote: Okay, I can totally understand that. But in that case you only want to disable the timezone changes. I assume the default is to have automatic timezone changes enabled. I would like to go to a config file (no big need for UI) and change enabled to disabled (or change 1

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Daniel Willmann wrote: Okay, I can totally understand that. But in that case you only want to disable the timezone changes. I assume the default is to have automatic timezone changes enabled. I would like to

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread Fernando Martins
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:36:29 +0100 Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: I'll install zhone and do the checks. Hi Daniel, I'm having trouble to install zhone. What about using telnet to extract the GPS info you asked? (what would I have to do?) Regards, Fernando

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-15 Thread William Kenworthy
No, otimed sucks for a number of reasons (not the least being hard coded to an NTP server somewhere in Europe) so control like you are after is critical. In Perth Australia, vodafone appears to have my location set to Lord Howe Island - some 3000+ km away in the pacific - I am near the Indian

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-14 Thread Fernando Martins
Mike Montour wrote: Fernando Martins wrote: 1) I got the date reset to 1970 a few times. I was not paying attention but I guess this happens when battery is removed, i.e., there's no battery specific for the clock? There is a backup battery. Make sure that the system time is

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-14 Thread Rask Ingemann Lambertsen
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:19:05PM +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: Hi, 1) I got the date reset to 1970 a few times. I was not paying attention but I guess this happens when battery is removed, i.e., there's no battery specific for the clock? There was a kernel bug that would cause

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-13 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Fernando, On Thu, 2009-03-12 at 22:19 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote: Hi, 1) I got the date reset to 1970 a few times. I was not paying attention but I guess this happens when battery is removed, i.e., there's no battery specific for the clock? 2) Several posts mentioned that GPS

Re: date and GPS related questions

2009-03-13 Thread Mike Montour
Fernando Martins wrote: 1) I got the date reset to 1970 a few times. I was not paying attention but I guess this happens when battery is removed, i.e., there's no battery specific for the clock? There is a backup battery. Make sure that the system time is being saved to the hardware clock,

date and GPS related questions

2009-03-12 Thread Fernando Martins
Hi, 1) I got the date reset to 1970 a few times. I was not paying attention but I guess this happens when battery is removed, i.e., there's no battery specific for the clock? 2) Several posts mentioned that GPS could only get the fix if date was correct, the requirements being within 1 sec