On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From everything I've heard a software only fix will not be enough.
Unless you ditch your sd card as a data store.
All new FR's have the HW fix and new software will be written to take
advantage of that HW platform
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| The software fix alone allows you to get a fast TTFF but after that, sd
| card data transfers are just to noisy to maintain a high quality GPS
| data stream. Yes it works but poorly, which is better than
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Scott Derrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From everything I've heard a software only fix will not be enough.
Unless you ditch your sd card as a data store.
I haven't had any problems
ditch your sd card as a data store.
I haven't had any problems with TTFF since the software update was
done. In fact my impression from all the emails on the subject was
that the software fix was enough.
I think what he means, is that even though there is enough signal
strength to provide
Hello,
My Freerunner fails to recognize the SD card. There are no /dev/mmc* named
devices in the system. I have 2007.2 image upgraded with opkg from factory
image.
Revelant part of dmesg:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# dmesg | grep -E glamo|mmc
glamo3362 glamo3362.0: Detected Glamo core 3650 Revision
* Marek Materzok [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-27 10:33 +0200]:
Hello,
Hi,
My Freerunner fails to recognize the SD card. There are no /dev/mmc* named
devices in the system. I have 2007.2 image upgraded with opkg from factory
image.
Not sure it'll help, but FWIW it didn't work for me the first
2008/7/27 Mikael Berthe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
* Marek Materzok [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-27 10:33 +0200]:
My Freerunner fails to recognize the SD card. There are no /dev/mmc*
named
devices in the system. I have 2007.2 image upgraded with opkg from
factory
image.
Not sure it'll help
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Not sure it'll help, but FWIW it didn't work for me the first time
| either. I had to remove and reinsert it... no problem since then.
|
| So in case you haven't done that yet, check it's
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 21:03 +0200, Yorick Moko wrote:
i tried to walk with tangogps and sometimes i jumed 1-2 km in a random
direction and kept drifting
there were no roads in openstreetmaps for my location, could this influence
it?
No, that is definitely not the case. But occasionally I
2008/7/24 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
fixed a long way back in the route. I didn't have a tile cached for the area
I had walked into. When I zoomed out to a scale where I did have a tile
cached it redrew the track, this time following the route I had walked
without jumping.
Actually if you
On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 09:42 +0300, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
2008/7/24 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
fixed a long way back in the route. I didn't have a tile cached for the area
I had walked into. When I zoomed out to a scale where I did have a tile
cached it redrew the track, this time following
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 08:05:22 +0200, Marcus Bauer wrote:
One interesting observation I made is that my FR has in the beginning
often a GPS time offset 15 seconds into the future. It does so even if I
feed the time by AGPS.
It takes 10-15 minutes until this is corrected by the chip.
Wild
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Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
I have not had time to test any. But I could.
M
steve wrote:
Michael do you have any phones that fail GPS test?
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Hi,
The last 50 Minutes I drived 8 km around with my bike for catch
coordinates for OpenStreetmap.
I was carefully with Tangogps, so only the one Map came from SD-Card but
the Track was written to the Flash.
The Track looks very good.
cu
Markus
steve schrieb:
I have mail from Wolfy
with my bike for catch coordinates
for OpenStreetmap.
I was carefully with Tangogps, so only the one Map came from SD-Card but the
Track was written to the Flash.
The Track looks very good.
cu
Markus
steve schrieb:
I have mail from Wolfy indicating that Andy's magic SW fix works.
So
, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:51 PM, atweb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
The last 50 Minutes I drived 8 km around with my bike for catch coordinates
for OpenStreetmap.
I was carefully with Tangogps, so only the one Map came from SD-Card but the
Track was written to the Flash.
The Track looks very good.
cu
On Wednesday 23 July 2008, Yorick Moko wrote:
i tried to walk with tangogps and sometimes i jumed 1-2 km in a random
direction and kept drifting
there were no roads in openstreetmaps for my location, could this influence
it?
I saw something similar yesterday with tangogps. The red track
* Yorick Moko [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-07-23 21:03 +0200]:
i tried to walk with tangogps and sometimes i jumed 1-2 km in a random
direction and kept drifting
there were no roads in openstreetmaps for my location, could this
influence it?
I don't think so so.
As far as I can tell, tango GPS
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Give people a free repair kit?
2. work with distributors to do repair.
3. Host repair PARTIES! Woo hoo. Bring your own soldering iron. BYOSI
Personally, a kit would work for me. I have fine pitch solder and a
nice iron, but
1. Give people a free repair kit?
2. work with distributors to do repair.
3. Host repair PARTIES! Woo hoo. Bring your own soldering iron. BYOSI
Here in Vienna, anyway, we can host these parties at MetaLab.
;
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Send me a 10pf capacitor :) and I will very happy (Here I don't know
where to buy a single 10pF capacitor!)
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well from what Andy says they have found a software fix which
- keeps good SD card perf (for cards tested so far)
- doesn't degrade gps signal
the software fix will be in the new kernel very soon and
- switches off SD clock when not needed
- reduces the drive strength of the SD signal when
could anyone recommend a nice solder for such kind of work? (haven't
bothered to buy one in the states... in ukraine at the university was
using whatever was given ;-))
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Tim Schmidt wrote:
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:35 PM, steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Give people a
could anyone recommend a nice solder for such kind of work? (haven't
bothered to buy one in the states... in ukraine at the university was
using whatever was given ;-))
You will need 'flux core solder' (normal 'resin' electronics solder), with a
low wattage
soldering iron, like 15W. It also
I use electronic silver solder, 62/36/2 62% tin, 36% lead, 2% silver
44 flux, dia 0.5mm made by Kester
with all that lead maybe its not available in the EU? Kester makes a
lead free equivalent.
here's a lead free equivalent in a small package.
hi,
i am seeing a lot of things on the list about sd cards and that they
interfere with the gps and that call clarity is worse when using an sd
card. i know that the gps issue has been addressed with a patch. will this
patch also address the call clarity issue? also, do i get the patch if i
patch also address the call clarity issue? also, do i get the patch if i
as far as i remember there were one or to post which _thought_ it possible
that the sd card _might_ influence call clarity.
but there was and is no evidence for that idea.
install a daily build or do i need to build
doh me -- I meant to ask about soldering iron primarily. So which gun
would you recommend (so it feels comfortable in hand, is not too long,
doesn't heat the handle more than the tip ;-) etc)
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Sander van Grieken wrote:
could anyone recommend a nice solder for such kind of
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| doh me -- I meant to ask about soldering iron primarily. So which gun
| would you recommend (so it feels comfortable in hand, is not too long,
| doesn't heat the handle more than the tip ;-) etc)
Dunno
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 7:36 AM, arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
on a related note, what is the best way to format an sd card for use in
the freerunner?
fat, ext2.
afair the latest uboots allow ext3, too, of what use a journal ever might
be with an sd card.
No fsck. An 8G SD with lots
afair the latest uboots allow ext3, too, of what use a journal ever
might
be with an sd card.
No fsck. An 8G SD with lots of little files would take a while to fsck
after a crash.
sounds sensible, indeed.
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GPS rework for SD card interference issue
ave ceasar!
steve wrote:
Then I am Rome.
The SOP needs to be reviewed. Basically, I will need to hear from
jOERG, Werner,
Micheal, Andy.
I would like to have micheal test the SOP.
Then I can figure out how to offer the repair
; 'C R McClenaghan';
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Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
ave ceasar!
steve wrote:
Then I am Rome.
The SOP needs to be reviewed. Basically, I will need to hear from
jOERG, Werner,
Micheal, Andy.
I would like to have micheal
to be the maximum needed even for a cold start, which in my opinion is
exceptionally good!
The SD-Card (4GB) still works as expected by this RF only fix, and there is
no need to unmount it ...
Btw, this was all done with the mwester-andy kernel from 080716...
Big thumbs up to everyone at OM, now let
this repair to Freerunner owners? How and under
what terms?
Chris
On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a
hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late,
because we have
GPS rework for SD card interference issue
...and Michael goes to Steve, so all roads lead to Steve.
Expect a reply from Steve very shortly (if he hasn't already done so).
Michael
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
This should go to Steve and Michael, I guess
Am Fr 18. Juli 2008 schrieb C R
McClenaghan; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: GTA02 GPS rework for SD card interference issue
...and Michael goes to Steve, so all roads lead to Steve.
Expect a reply from Steve very shortly (if he hasn't already done so).
Michael
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
This should go to Steve
Joerg Reisenweber wrote:
Am Sa 19. Juli 2008 schrieb Tommi Kärkkäinen:
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) kirjoitti:
But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need
proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder
technique.
Is there a specific
what impact, if any, will there be on the warranty of the FR device
once the fix has been carried out ?
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Tony,
Will OpenMoko offer this repair to Freerunner owners? How and under what
terms?
Chris
On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS
really
compare, and it would be great if anyone having such modded phone (I
guess OM people) do such a simple test (basic IO testing of SD card
similar to the ones which were posted to this list before).
NB It would be really pathetic if then after new 'fixed' units are
shipped, and new owners start
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) kirjoitti:
But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need
proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder technique.
Is there a specific tolerance requirement for the capacitor?
Tommi
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I flashed the device with the default image and was able to get things working
again. I did discover that the Please wait part was from openmoko-today
seg faulting.
Josh
On Fri July 18 2008 4:11:49 pm Josh Thompson wrote:
I cannot seem to get my sd card mounted
Am Sa 19. Juli 2008 schrieb Tommi Kärkkäinen:
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) kirjoitti:
But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need
proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder
technique.
Is there a specific tolerance requirement for the capacitor?
Community:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a
hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late,
because we have to make sure this fix works and don't have side effects.
Here is the fix:
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a
hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late,
because we have to make sure this fix works and don't have side effects.
Here is the fix:
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:28:29 +0200, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a
hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post it late,
because we have to make sure this fix works and don't have side
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Community:
Here is the fix:
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
Great work, a hardware solution in two or three days or so!
I'd be glad to hear the change of the TTFF with this
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
Great! I will do this fix next week as soon as my Freerunner arrives,
and let you know how it goes.
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Thank you Tony. You did a very great work and you putted me to love more
this phone.
Only one question: which type of capacitor I have to put? I see it is
not a electrolitic one :)
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:33:45 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
Great! I will do this fix next week as soon as my Freerunner
arrives, and let you know how it goes.
;
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Good luck soldering that; however if you
Good luck soldering that; however if you happen to be an experienced
electronics engineer with access to a work-bench with all the usual
tools then
my apologies.
I am, and I do! :)
I'd just hate to think that comment leads others to think
they could effect the repair easily because
I am an Electronic Engineer but I will bring to a place where repair
telephone, and with 5 Euro they will do for me.
2008/7/18 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:33:45 +0200, Jay Vaughan wrote
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
Great! I will do this
:
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
This fix could give almost same performance with SD card out of case.
But this work still not suggest do by yourself, also, this fix need
proper size capacitor (10 pf with 0402 package), and some solder technique.
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Joachim
Hi Tony, all
If there enough space to fit an 0603 cap in there?
I don't have my FR yet to look at it, it's in transit...
Regards
Neil Davey
On 18/07/2008, at 7:28 PM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a
hardware
This is great news.
First thing I will do as soon as my FR arrives.
Thanks for the lightning fast response.
Scott
Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a
hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug. Sorry post
Hey Michele,
Michele Renda schrieb:
I am an Electronic Engineer but I will bring to a place where repair
telephone, and with 5 Euro they will do for me.
if you know of a place where they do that for 5 EUR, please let me know,
I'll bring mine there too
regards
Alex
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:05 +0200, Alexander Köb wrote:
Hey Michele,
Michele Renda schrieb:
I am an Electronic Engineer but I will bring to a place where repair
telephone, and with 5 Euro they will do for me.
if you know of a place where they do that for 5 EUR, please let me know,
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May be I forgot to tell that it is in Romania :)
There is a place where they repair telephones... they know every type of
phone in the world... but I am imaging their face when I will bring my
Freerunner there!
Alexander Köb wrote:
Hey Michele,
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mmm... here (in Italy) to repair a phone you need 50 Euro!
Marcus Bauer wrote:
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:05 +0200, Alexander Köb wrote:
Hey Michele,
Michele Renda schrieb:
I am an Electronic Engineer but I will bring to a place where repair
Hi at all,
Am Freitag 18. Juli 2008 11:28:29 schrieb Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu):
Here is the fix:
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
What is with the _new_ FreeRunners on the production line? Do they have this
fix already when they leave the manufactory? I guess and
Tony,
Will OpenMoko offer this repair to Freerunner owners? How and under
what terms?
Chris
On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue, our hardware team provide a
hardware fix/workaround for this coexistence bug
I cannot seem to get my sd card mounted. Before using it in my freerunner, I
put it in the adapter and copied some stuff to it using my laptop. I've done
an upgrade on the system today. I never tried it before upgrading. It never
gets mounted anywhere under /media or /mnt. I don't see
Am Fr 18. Juli 2008 schrieb Carsten Gerlach:
Hi at all,
Am Freitag 18. Juli 2008 11:28:29 schrieb Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu):
Here is the fix:
http://www.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta02_gps_10pf_rework_sop.pdf
What is with the _new_ FreeRunners on the production line? Do they have this
This should go to Steve and Michael, I guess
Am Fr 18. Juli 2008 schrieb C R McClenaghan:
Tony,
Will OpenMoko offer this repair to Freerunner owners? How and under
what terms?
Chris
On Jul 18, 2008, at 2:28 AM, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card
sorry to be pain in the b%%t, but was testing done to check if there is
any affect on SD card performance? (I am lazy to look now even what pins
at SD are those ;)) just wanted to check
On Fri, 18 Jul 2008, Neng-Yu Tu (Tony Tu) wrote:
Dear Community:
For GTA02 SD card interference GPS issue
Just one question, will the new freerunners coming out on 25-th have it
reworked, or we'll have to do it by ourselves
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This additional capacitor has been added between clock and GND for the
SD card. So it is most probably just there to filter frequencies higher
than the clock rate itself.
Michael
Yaroslav Halchenko schrieb:
sorry to be pain in the b%%t, but was testing done to check if there is
any affect
scott,
could you please disable html mails and send only plain text?
thanks
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other
cards, so let us know if it is seen and we'll try to figure it out.
| it would be great if someone validates that in general SD performance is
| not hurt with such patches?
It won't change SD performance. We just stop running the clock when we
have nothing to say to the SD Card. SD Card
Turning the SD card off periodically to fix the cross talk(emf) issue
is a good thing. Especially if it allows the GPS receiver to function
properly and reduce power consumption on the SD card subsystem.
I don't think they are talking seconds here but milliseconds. If the
SD card is on once
all in.
FYI I use the (inadequate!) phone on my Treo 700p
fairly often. I have other, better cameras, but my mobile
phone is always in my pocket.
new topic:
Given the evolution not revolution goal for GTA03...
Is adding an SD card externally accessible on GTA03 feasible?
Lots of goodness
Ron K. Jeffries wrote:
Is adding an SD card externally accessible on GTA03 feasible?
+1
Having the SD card buried under the SIM under the battery is less than
ideal.
-if
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Hello,
I've run into a problem identical to the one described in bug 779:
http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=799
Wondering whether anybody is aware of a solution...
-Rukhsana
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Dnia piątek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisał:
For real paranoid sellers:
Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or
mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every
embdded system so that even hacking out the program from the embedded
Salve Marcin!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia pi?tek, 26 stycznia 2007 13:55, Robert Michel napisa?:
For real paranoid sellers:
Build a chip with memory and an embedded system on a microSD card or
mini usb device and sell this. Use an unique encryption for every
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