Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-18 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 18. März 2009 schrieb Helge Hafting: > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:18:23 +0100 > > Helge Hafting wrote: > [...] > >> It was just to be safe. The documentation states that you might not > >> get a fix _at all_ if either position or time is outside the claimed > >> accu

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-18 Thread Helge Hafting
Daniel Willmann wrote: > On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:18:23 +0100 > Helge Hafting wrote: [...] >> It was just to be safe. The documentation states that you might not >> get a fix _at all_ if either position or time is outside the claimed >> accuracy. Now, maybe it works with 3km anyway after the fixes

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-11 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:18:23 +0100 Helge Hafting wrote: > I do not get 7s every time. This was an ideal test, I was standing in > a place with good visibility. the gps used 9 or so satellites. Then I > stopped tangogps and restarted it, and timed it from the moment the > tangogps screen showed.

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-10 Thread Helge Hafting
Daniel Willmann wrote: > On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:59:07 +0100 > Helge Hafting wrote: > >> Thanks a lot! >> I needed this one too, and now get 7s warm starts! >> http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad2ec48cdb5ab9bdddc15adfc05cbd2e5b8a2cee > > 7s TTFF is pretty good. I got

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-09 Thread mqy
n the chip crashes so I can take a look at it? > > Regards, > Daniel Willmann > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > commun...@... > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > signature.asc (204 bytes) Download Attachment > > ___

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-08 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:47:26 -0800 (PST) mqy wrote: > > I've verified the issue on GPS receiver in GTA02: > > When dump ALM/EPH messages, in several messages, fields follow SV ID > field in payload are filled with zeros. Okay, so what you're saying is that this commit http://git.freesmartphone.

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-08 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:59:07 +0100 Helge Hafting wrote: > Thanks a lot! > I needed this one too, and now get 7s warm starts! > http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=commitdiff;h=ad2ec48cdb5ab9bdddc15adfc05cbd2e5b8a2cee 7s TTFF is pretty good. I got that once, but usually I have about

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-04 Thread Helge Hafting
Stefan Schmidt wrote: > Hello. > > On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 12:31, Helge Hafting wrote: >> Daniel Willmann wrote: >> >>> Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework >>> we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. >>> >> I hope that fso-gpsd gets u

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-03 Thread mqy
ko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/thoughts-on-A-GPS-offline-tp2338403p2415564.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabb

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-03 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:31:00 +0100 Helge Hafting wrote: > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the > > framework we should try to get an open server with aiding data > > available ASAP. > > > I hope that fso-gpsd gets updated soon too - it'd su

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-03 Thread Stefan Schmidt
Hello. On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 12:31, Helge Hafting wrote: > Daniel Willmann wrote: > > > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework > > we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. > > > I hope that fso-gpsd gets updated soon too Already done

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-03 Thread Helge Hafting
Daniel Willmann wrote: > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework > we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. > I hope that fso-gpsd gets updated soon too - it'd sure be nice to take advantage of a recently saved ephemeris when restartin

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-02 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:25:14 -0800 (PST) mqy wrote: > " > UBX-AID-EPH and UBX-AID-ALM Messages for Satellite without valid > Orbits When polling UBX-AID-EPH or UBX-AID-ALM messages, satellites > without valid ephemeris or almanac data will > return a complete UBX-AID-EPH or UBX-AID-ALM message wi

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-01 Thread mqy
er they were restored to the chip. > > ... ... > > Regards, > Daniel Willmann > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-01 Thread Daniel Willmann
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:39:25 +0100 Raphaël Jacquot wrote: > On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:31:16PM +0100, Daniel Willmann wrote: > > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the > > framework we should try to get an open server with aiding data > > available ASAP. > > is there a way

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-01 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:57:30PM -0800, mqy wrote: > > U-blox receiver allows polling AID-EPH, AID-ALM data. > For each type, we can poll 32 messages for 32 satellites. > The precondition is: current fix is valid -- at least 3 SVs has valid EPH(or > ALM?) data. > > These data get invalid 2~4 h

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-01 Thread mqy
> Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/thoughts-on-A-GPS-offline-tp2338403p2406026.html Sent from t

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-01 Thread Raphaël Jacquot
On Sun, Mar 01, 2009 at 08:31:16PM +0100, Daniel Willmann wrote: > Now that hot-/warmstart with ephemeris playback works with the framework > we should try to get an open server with aiding data available ASAP. is there a way to get the ephemeris data from the gps receiver at some point ? it could

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-03-01 Thread Daniel Willmann
Hello, On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 13:07:54 +0100 Rikard Nilsson wrote: > would it be possible to get the satelite information that we get from > u-blox from somewhere else? > somewhere that dont require user account? there are three possibilities that I see here: 1) mirror the data from u-blox somewh

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-22 Thread mqy
> already saves such data before turning the gps off, and restores it when > you turn it on so you get the first fix quicker. > > Not all the data is used at the moment, because the process sometimes > fail yelding long startup times. But that should only be a debugging

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-22 Thread Helge Hafting
, yielding no fix at all) Ephemeris data is only valid for 30min or so. Saving the ephemeris locally helps if your gps app crash and gets restarted, but it won't help you the following day. A server could help though. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/thoughts-on-A-GPS-

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-20 Thread Stefan Monnier
> But where do we get this almanac data? Can we redistribute what > u-box.com sends us? AFAIK, the almanac data that framworkd saves from the GPS can come from u-blox but can also come directly from the GPS satellites. So we could try to setup some kind of peer-to-peer distribution of the data do

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-20 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Helge Hafting writes: > As far as I know - we do know the format. The SHR distribution Yes frameworkd ogpsd has some info about it: # Feed GPS with position and time self.send("AID-INI", 48, {"X" : pos.get("x", 0) , "Y" : pos.get("y", 0) , "Z" : pos.get("z", 0), \ "POSACC" : pacc, "TM

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-20 Thread Helge Hafting
Cédric Berger wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 17:49, Al Johnson > wrote: >> I may be misunderstanding the suggestion, but I don't think it had anything >> to >> do with data from ublox. The suggestion was to use data sent by other >> freerunner users instead of the data supplied by ublox. > >

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-18 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 17:49, Al Johnson wrote: > I may be misunderstanding the suggestion, but I don't think it had anything to > do with data from ublox. The suggestion was to use data sent by other > freerunner users instead of the data supplied by ublox. As I understood the suggestion was in

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-18 Thread Al Johnson
On Wednesday 18 February 2009, Cédric Berger wrote: > On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 16:52, Helge Hafting wrote: > > Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > >> mqy writes: > >>> It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox > >>> online aiding data. > >> > >> It is a problem since u-blox

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-18 Thread Cédric Berger
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 16:52, Helge Hafting wrote: > Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: >> mqy writes: >>> It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox >>> online >>> aiding data. >> >> It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might >> not want to tell th

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-18 Thread Helge Hafting
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > mqy writes: >> It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox online >> aiding data. > > It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might > not want to tell them where you are all time. Their server also might > be down. The

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
mqy writes: > It is not a problem that user account is required when download u-blox online > aiding data. It is a problem since u-blox might go out of business and you might not want to tell them where you are all time. Their server also might be down. There are plenty of reasons to remove depen

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread mqy
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Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread Ed Kapitein
Well, i put a tarball together with my scripts and put it on my website. http://www.kapitein.org/openmoko Please read it carefully before installing. All feedback is welcome ofcourse. Kind regards, Ed On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 11:42 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Ed

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread Rikard Nilsson
would it be possible to get the satelite information that we get from u-blox from somewhere else? somewhere that dont require user account? /rikard On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: > mqy writes: >> I think get locations by cell id is especially useful in case of wea

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
mqy writes: > I think get locations by cell id is especially useful in case of weak or no > GPS signals. > I'll have a look at opencellid, thanks. Note also that ogpsd of frameworkd supports sending this off-line aiding data. ___ Openmoko community m

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread mqy
ling list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/thoughts-on-A-GPS-offline-tp2338403p2340272.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Ed Kapitein writes: > I have some scripts that will do that for you, so just let me know if > you are intressted. Note that we can get the whole opencellid.org database and access it offline. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmo

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Ed Kapitein wrote: > Hi Rikard, > > Yes, take a look at www.opencellid.org. > This will give you your rough location and you can use that to get the > agps data for your area. > > I have some scripts that will do that for you, so just let me know if > you are intr

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread Ed Kapitein
Hi Rikard, Yes, take a look at www.opencellid.org. This will give you your rough location and you can use that to get the agps data for your area. I have some scripts that will do that for you, so just let me know if you are intressted. Kind regards, Ed On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 09:24 +0100, Rikard

Re: thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-17 Thread Rikard Nilsson
> What about if we hack the data format of u-blox AGPS offline file, and > extract data for current location and time? location can be specified by > clicking map, time from local system time. If we could, we would be able to > submit data to GPS chip as AGPS online message on demand. What do you t

thoughts on A-GPS offline

2009-02-16 Thread mqy
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