On Wednesday, 8 November 2023 17:45:58 CEST Paul Boddie wrote:
> Hello,
>
> It has been quiet on this list, but I recently became aware of another
> phone- like project when perusing a popular maker/gadget retailer's site:
>
> https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/unphone
On Friday, 8 December 2023 15:40:45 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Indeed an interesting approach. But I don't get the benefits. If it is about
> secure (i.e. end-to-end encrypted) voice and text communication, this can
> equally securely be done by an open source application running on the app
Hello,
Here's another phone project, one funded by NLnet, that attempts to partition
functionality between different units:
https://mikrophone.net/
https://nlnet.nl/project/mikroPhone/
Unlike various "privacy-enhanced" products seen previously, however, this one
separates core telephony from s
Hello,
It has been quiet on this list, but I recently became aware of another phone-
like project when perusing a popular maker/gadget retailer's site:
https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/unphone
It appears to be an ESP32-based (XTensa LX7) gadget that emphasises LoRa-based
communication for Int
Hello,
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I would probably only end up repeating
myself in a new thread, anyway! See here for the quoted message in the list
archive:
https://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/community/2019-September/002046.html
On Monday, 23 September 2019 16:28:46 CET Paul
On Tuesday, 11 January 2022 07:26:32 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Am 10.01.2022 um 22:51 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > I wouldn't know without really taking a look at it. However, it sounds
> > like the Linux support would be comparable to what has been don
On Monday, 10 January 2022 02:27:15 CET Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Paul Boddie (2022-01-09 23:40:08)
> >
> > The AR100 processor in the Allwinner SoCs appears to be used as a kind
> > of microcontroller without memory management unit, at least from what
> > I ca
On Saturday, 8 January 2022 22:49:19 CET Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> Even current generation PinePhone might be made to run a (very)
> lightweight telephony-focused stack, on its embedded 32bit 300MHz AR100
> processor.
>
> I maintain the needed compiler for Debian in package gcc-or1k-elf, and
>
On Monday, 3 January 2022 20:12:32 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> It happened several times during development of the GTA04 that people
> said: nice but look you can buy this or that. Instead of helping getting
> GTA04 better and making it a success.
I have to follow up on precisely this poi
On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 19:30:38 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Am 04.01.2022 um 18:34 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >> It’s extremely sad that after all these years with all our technological
> >> advancements and choice of free software projects, getting the very
>
On Monday, 3 January 2022 13:06:39 CET Dr. Michael Lauer wrote:
> Thanks for churning up these interesting comments, Paul.
I appreciate the feedback, particularly from someone who has been at the heart
of the action. I was reading through your retrospective on Openmoko yesterday,
and it still ma
On Monday, 3 January 2022 21:32:16 CET Andreas Kemnade wrote:
>
> > > "The Pine64 developers and the community need to put more focus onto
> > > making the PinePhone perform the most basic of mobile phone tasks, Like
> > > making and receiving phone calls, using headphone earpieces, receiving
> >
On Sunday, 2 January 2022 22:01:51 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> you have probably pinpointed the most important aspect of all discussions.
>
> We have no high-quality power management in any of the devices...
> We spend (spent) a lot of time to make it work, get hardware out just
> to get t
On Wednesday, 29 December 2021 10:15:45 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> Next question: are there enough interested developers for writing free
> software?
>
> And one more thing to consider is the power demand of a non-phone-processor.
> Especially the ∏02 needs much more energy or must be he
On Saturday, 1 January 2022 18:52:40 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> A happy new year to everybody!
And the same from me, too!
> Hi Paul,
> as usually a very insightful contribution and well written so that it is
> difficult to add something...
I thought I was ranting, really. Maybe I should a
On Wednesday, 29 December 2021 10:15:45 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Am 28.12.2021 um 20:40 schrieb Martin :
> >
> > On 2021-12-28 19:35, Dr. Michael Lauer wrote:
> >> That’s a pity. In particular with the recent Pi Zero 2 design that
> >> could’ve been a pretty sweet alternative feature ph
On Tuesday, 3 August 2021 11:12:58 CEST H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Hi,
> I just came across this post (in German):
> https://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/522691
My German is far from sufficient to appreciate this post, and my knowledge of
Norwegian doesn't make it convenient enough to really
On Friday, 1 January 2021 10:40:53 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Dear all,
> I wish you a happy and better new year.
I wish everyone a Happy New Year, too!
> We have got some funding by a generous community member in December so
> that technical operation of the community resources is secured
On Saturday 7. December 2019 08.37.23 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> I just came across:
>
> https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/measurements-and-a->
> hypothesis
>
> So they also ran into unexpected solder bridges which must be X-Rayed. This
> sounds very very familiar to me
On Monday 23. September 2019 17.21.38 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Am 23.09.2019 um 16:28 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > But very bad for the planet. As it is, however, people can always be
> > persuaded to upgrade by just making the software more demanding, so as I
>
On Saturday 21. September 2019 15.48.50 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 19.09.2019 um 18:18 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > I dislike the tone of technology reviews, especially when they talk of
> > "last year's" technology. They start to sound like f
On Saturday 21. September 2019 21.33.22 Xavi Drudis Ferran wrote:
> El Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 07:22:22PM +0200, H. Nikolaus Schaller deia:
> > > Am 21.09.2019 um 19:14 schrieb Martin :
> > >
> > >
> > > Note: I live in Germany and do not own a mobile phone. My bank
> > > uses the so-called "Sm@rt-T
Hello again,
Recently, having found myself needing to buy a fairly cheap Android smartphone
to keep communicating with the rest of the world, I found myself reviewing
what the options really were for buying something that would be (amongst other
things)...
1. Viable for a reasonable amount of
On Friday 14. June 2019 11.13.16 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> And it should not be too difficult to find the relevant patches and
> forward-port them to mainline or simply add the missing LED nodes to the
> ci20.dts. I'll give it a try in the next days.
I looked into this with the 5.1.8 kernel
On Wednesday 12. June 2019 23.56.44 Paul Boddie wrote:
>
> Now that I try again it works just fine with the 5.1.8 kernel. So I imagine
> that I didn't wait long enough previously and was convinced that a lack of
> LED activity meant that the board had failed to boot, which wasn
On Wednesday 12. June 2019 20.07.35 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> Yes, that is sad, but not the most important issue. It may be even better
> to have the NAND as a fallback boot option if the SD card becomes broken.
I personally wonder about the point of NAND, ultimately, at least for this
kin
On Tuesday 11. June 2019 17.38.20 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> also adding the letux kernel mailing list because discussion becomes quite
> kernel focussed...
OK, maybe my message will bounce, though, because I am not subscribed to that
list.
[...]
> I have just booted sucessfully t
On Tuesday 11. June 2019 14.54.36 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> Maybe you could also try the letux tree. The idea of the letux tree is that
> we can collaborate on it and contribute good things to kernel.org if we are
> successful.
I'll put the CI20 to work on it as soon as it is finished build
On Tuesday 11. June 2019 08.14.49 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 09.06.2019 um 18:01 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > Ignoring the investigations into configuration and deployment tools, I did
> > manage to compile an upstream kernel for the CI20 today. Choosing t
On Tuesday 21. May 2019 14.12.22 Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Tuesday 21. May 2019 10.22.50 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > What else is going on in the LetuxOS eco-system?
> >
> > We now support MIPS devices, not only ARM. Well one. The Imagination CI20
> > board. Just do &
On Monday 27. May 2019 20.46.32 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> The pre-built images are just the result of a complete debootstrap in a
> fresh chroot on some ARM or MIPS SBC. Either bare bone with some minimal
> set of required or generally useful packages or with some more, e.g. a full
> GUI lik
On Monday 27. May 2019 16.28.15 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> Exactly. It is coming not from theory but practice and has evolved over
> the years into a simple workhorse. Features were added where needed
> and over the years some of the underlaying tools had changed.
>
> So it basically is a ma
On Monday 27. May 2019 15.25.00 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> Wauw! Probably the first ever review of Boxer :-)
Probably not a fair one, though...
> Yes, I think it is an accurate description. As for "[not] much of
> immediate use" I believe it stems from being about reusable patterns -
> so if
On Tuesday 21. May 2019 23.29.43 Paul Boddie wrote:
>
> I can't judge what is conservative or not, but the first thing I thought of
> was this:
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/vmdebootstrap
It appears that it now has a successor:
http://git.liw.fi/vmdb2
> And, of course,
On Tuesday 21. May 2019 20.15.04 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Paul Boddie (2019-05-21 18:33:09)
> >
> > I recall Nikolaus getting quite a bit of hassle from people who
> > demanded full access to the materials around projects like GTA04. I
> > wonder if those pe
On Tuesday 21. May 2019 15.48.06 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Am 21.05.2019 um 15:13 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard :
> >
> > Speaking for myself, I got discouraged when we met in Bavaria and it
> > became clear to me that your avoiding OSHW certification was a
> > deliberate business choice.
>
> No
On Tuesday 21. May 2019 10.22.50 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> What else is going on in the LetuxOS eco-system?
>
> We now support MIPS devices, not only ARM. Well one. The Imagination CI20
> board. Just do "makesd ci20" to get a first SD card.
I'll have to stop procrastinating and try this no
Well, after previously making remarks about original design manufacturers (or
whatever ODM is supposed to stand for), here is today's news from the Necunos
initiative:
"Now, we have faced yet another obstacle regarding the freedom of software.
One of our critical partners has backed down from t
On Friday 29. March 2019 08.57.22 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 27.03.2019 um 17:51 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller :
> >
> >
> >
> > So I have ordered one some minutes ago. The key idea was that I expect to
> > get a board where I can more easily test and debug the MIPS variant of
> > Letu
On Wednesday 27. March 2019 15.47.28 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> I think we articficially make the long-term goal even farther away by
> not having a working GPLed kernel driverfor loading and interfacing to
> the specific SoC. Therefore everyone has to start with getting something
> working.
On Wednesday 27. March 2019 08.26.29 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 25.03.2019 um 11:55 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > Yes, I have a CI20 board.
>
> Ah, great!
I may have mentioned it before somewhere, maybe not on this list, though.
[...]
> > Apart from
On Monday 25. March 2019 09.04.06 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Hi,
> as you may know I am working a little on the PVR/SGX drivers for
> omap.
>
> Since the latest DDK code (1.14) includes some jz4780 support,
> I researched and found that
> a) this is for the CI20 creator board
> b) it could also
On Saturday 2. March 2019 11.05.45 Martin Rottensteiner wrote:
>
> > I used to browse the Maemo forums and there seemed to be plenty of
> > projects that never went anywhere, so I hope that this isn't one of those.
> > I see that it is a continuation of the "Livermorium" keyboard extension
> > for
On Friday 22. February 2019 12.15.40 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> I have spent a little time to improve some component
> placement and fix my scripts which do the translation
> to 3D data (by generating a python script that can be
> imported into the FreeCAD command line version to
> write a ST
On Tuesday 19. February 2019 20.41.22 Martin Rottensteiner wrote:
>
> There might be some other phones this list might be interested in:
> The maemo-leste-project tries to make recent mainline kernels available on
> older phones. You might especially like to hear that they made quite huge
> progre
On Monday 18. February 2019 06.35.56 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> HI,
> it looks as if there is another project aiming at a pure-Linux device:
>
> https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=7093&pid=43850#pid43850
>
> They have some developer-kits.
>
> It more or less resembles what I am doing
On Wednesday 13. February 2019 12.28.05 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> since some robot has found it and learned how to spam responses to the issue
> (bug tracker) records.
Sorry that it has made more work for you!
> Unfortunately we use a very old version of Indefero (non-existent any more)
> and
On Thursday 7. February 2019 19.51.13 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 07.02.2019 um 17:21 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > Personally, I cannot get excited by a device that is not developed in the
> > open, and it also doesn't seem to have cellular connectivit
Hello,
I saw that there were a number of FOSDEM talks related to this list and to
some of our previous discussions. For instance:
"FST-01SZ (Flying Stone Tiny 01 revision ShenZhen)"
https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/gnuk_hardware/
"Maemo Leste"
https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/maemo_
Hello,
I noticed, not that long ago, the following blog post about hardware
development which overlaps with some of the topics discussed on this list:
"How We Designed the Librem 5 Dev Kit with 100% Free Software"
https://puri.sm/posts/how-we-designed-the-librem-5-dev-kit-with-100-free-software/
On Sunday 6. January 2019 18.16.36 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 05.01.2019 um 19:11 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > Once again, I feel a bit guilty about not continuing to work on the Letux
> > 400 Linux kernel, but there are diminishing returns in doing so.
&
On Tuesday 1. January 2019 13.49.11 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Dear all,
> first of all let me wich everyone a happy new year and say thank you that
> you are still subscribed to this list.
Happy New Year to you and to my fellow subscribers, too!
> There haven't been many news in 2018, but th
Hello,
I saw the following article mentioned on the #neo900 IRC channel yesterday.
Here's an excerpt:
"The lesson learned here is probably that even a technically very exciting
project backed by world-renowned hackers like bunnie doesn't mean that anyone
will actually ever do anything with it,
On Thursday 14. June 2018 17.54.56 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> What are you currently working on (wrt. to Tinkerphones)?
I thought I should finally respond to this in some way. As some people
following the rather exclusive Lenny400 mailing list (for the Letux 400
notebook computer) as well
On Sunday 3. June 2018 17.30.39 anti.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
> | I was reading about Neo900
> | capabilities for this only recently, too.
>
> Where do you get news on that?
I read the IRC channel archives found here:
https://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900/
Here's the mention of the video-out featu
On Friday 1. June 2018 23.04.43 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Hi,
> although there seems to be not much activity here, there is still progress
> with the Letux OS / GTA04 code base. It is neither forgotten nor abandoned
> :)
I feel a bit bad for neglecting the MIPS-based side of the Letux kernel
On Monday 23. April 2018 18.35.43 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 23.04.2018 um 15:48 schrieb Belisko Marek :
> >
> > Just found this now, looks like interesting idea but I'm not sure if
> > they get ~1M$ ;):
> >
> > https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2070436562/kite
If people have to re
On Friday 23. February 2018 12.28.59 Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
> I would prefer it to be on github.
I see that Radek already had a clone of QtMoko on GitHub.
But it annoys me somewhat when people "prefer" things that are convenient to
themselves but may not be convenient to others, especially w
On Sunday 4. February 2018 17.01.55 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> Anyways, I learned a lot of interesting and useful things for our
> projects. E.g. why the FST01 crypto key was developed an
> about about the status. And I established a contact to the
> developer and gnupg.org.
Great to hear th
On Thursday 21. December 2017 13.38.59 Belisko Marek wrote:
>
> I can start conversation on that ML and check feedback if no one else
> plan to do that.
> Basically I present idea to have FST-01 clone with uUSB adapter +
> ability to update firmware via USB. Make any sense? Thanks.
I guess that s
On Wednesday 20. December 2017 18.42.37 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Am 19.12.2017 um 19:40 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > https://anarc.at/contact/
> >
> > Maybe he has a good line of communication to the community involved.
>
> Good idea! Anyone to cont
On Monday 27. November 2017 11.51.41 Belisko Marek wrote:
>
> Anybody willing to do what Nikolaus proposed? If not I can try to
> establish some connection with FST01 community.
> or somebody else already active and willing to do so? Just want to
> recover communication to avoid putting this idea
On Saturday 28. October 2017 13.33.17 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> But I just found this morning:
>
> https://community.imgtec.com/developers/powervr/documentation/
>
> This looks to be very important (dated 07 Apr 2017):
>
> http://cdn.imgtec.com/sdk-
documentation/PowerVR+Instr
On Tuesday 7. November 2017 14.56.41 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 05.11.2017 um 00:15 schrieb Paul Boddie :
> >
> > I know you've been doing work for the Pyra project, and I guess that the
> > OMAP5 board is what you were calling "Letux Cortex 15&qu
On Tuesday 7. November 2017 15.55.32 Josua Mayer wrote:
>
> Gnome and KDE still appear to rely on the existence of a proper OpenGL
> implementation. I remember that about a year ago the person behind
> netrunner was trying to run kde on the i.MX6 Cubox-i and failed due to
> the vivante OpenGL blob
On Friday 3. November 2017 09.21.37 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> And more generally, this is in the area of software we offer for free and
> not new hardware / gadgets / services we could put in a shop.
>
> Any wishes for gadgets, accessories, tools, breakout boards, pocket bones,
> Pyra-phone
On Friday 3. November 2017 10.54.44 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > Am 03.11.2017 um 10:32 schrieb Thomas Munker :
> >
> > i would like to see some small cryptographic hardware, like eg. yubikey.
> > At best easy interfaceable to gta02/gta04 or with necessary interface
> > hardware
>
> I have che
On Saturday 28. October 2017 14.14.26 rhn wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 13:33:17 +0200 "H. Nikolaus Schaller"
> wrote:
> >
> > But I just found this morning:
> > https://community.imgtec.com/developers/powervr/documentation/
> >
> > This looks to be very important (dated 07 Apr 2017):
> >
On Tuesday 24. October 2017 21.15.08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> > Am 24.10.2017 um 20:08 schrieb Gilles Filippini
> > :
> >
> > When I heard about the Librem 5 project I just felt more confident in
> > their capacity to overcome these difficulties, because of their
> > experience with notebo
On Wednesday 22. February 2017 15.49.53 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>
> Sadly, this also makes it really the last GTA04 batch which will
> ever be built (making these GTA04A5 boards rare collectibles).
> Unless someone spends us enough money to make more experiments
> with OMAP3 PoP soldering.
So
On Thursday 19. January 2017 06.24.35 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Hi,
> someone notified me about this project:
>
> https://hackaday.io/project/19035-zerophone-a-raspberry-pi-smartphone/log/5
> 1839-project-description-and-frequently-asked-questions
>
> What do you think?
That people are perha
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