[Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-02 Thread AFRINIC Communications
Dear AFRINIC Community, AFRINIC is calling for comments on a revision to the Registration Service Agreement (RSA). The draft revised RSA may be found at https://www.afrinic.net/images/rsa_afrinic_changes_20170930.pdf This revision to the RSA is necessary to allow transfers in accordance with

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-02 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi, > AFRINIC is calling for comments on a revision to the Registration Service > Agreement (RSA). The draft revised RSA may be found at > https://www.afrinic.net/images/rsa_afrinic_changes_20170930.pdf > > This revision to the RSA is necessary to allow transfers in accordance with > the recen

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-02 Thread Alan Barrett
> On 2 Oct 2017, at 15:29, Sander Steffann wrote: > Just a quick comment on the wording. The notes say: > >> - The new 6(d)(vii) says that a transfer is a kind of allocation or >> assignment. Because of this, other parts of the RSA that refer to >> allocations or assignments will automatically

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-02 Thread Adewole Ajao
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:17 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > > > On 2 Oct 2017, at 15:29, Sander Steffann wrote: > > Just a quick comment on the wording. The notes say: > > > >> - The new 6(d)(vii) says that a transfer is a kind of allocation or > assignment. Because of this, other parts of the RSA tha

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-02 Thread Lu Heng
Dear colleagues, I believe there are still massive amount of IP address management item inside the RSA. As mentioned by a number of people, the RSA should not contain IP address management item. Instead, it shall simply contain legal relationship and AFRINIC, and allow member to financially s

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-02 Thread Adewole Ajao
Hi, I don't think you can remove all mention of IP address management from the RSA *before* you have put policies in place to substitute them. Perhaps you (or others) could propose a set of policies that replace the "IP address management" intentions set forth in the RSA. When those new policies

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-02 Thread Lu Heng
Hi Adewole: The RSA should not define how we manage IP address in the first place. If the IP address management item that inside RSA but not included in the policy, then the community has no need for such kind of resource management. Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-03 Thread Omo Oaiya
> On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng wrote: > > > > Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, not > the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate how we > use IP addresses. > It is AfriNIC that facilitates this bottom up process. It is

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-03 Thread Lu Heng
On 3 October 2017 at 15:53, Omo Oaiya wrote: > > On 3 Oct 2017, at 06:59, Lu Heng wrote: > > > > Those ip addresses management clause inside RSA was written by lawyers, > not the community. According to bottom up process, only policy can dictate > how we use IP addresses. > > > It is AfriNIC th

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-03 Thread Mike Silber
Lu I think you are misinterpreting the comment made. I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed (resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal agreement). Apologies to both if I am misrepresenting you. The concern being raised is that absent sp

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-03 Thread Omo Oaiya
Exactly Mike. Thanks. > On 3 Oct 2017, at 10:02, Mike Silber wrote: > > Lu > > I think you are misinterpreting the comment made. > > I think both Omo and Adewole were supporting the principle you expressed > (resource management is better addressed in policy than in a legal > agreement). Apo

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-03 Thread Lu Heng
Hi Mike: "Your interest" is a very personal attack. As I mentioned in my previous email, I view the RSA and policy as two independent documents which serve for entirely different purposes. While RSA allows AFRINIC to establish a legal relationship with its members so AFRINIC can be funded, polic

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-30 Thread Noah
Hello, Amending the RSA to enable the transfer policy has generated a bunch of discussions and concerns. It is very important to see that the proposed changes through the updated 6d(v) and the new 6d(vi) address the concerns expressed. *The main/major concern was make sure that we do not create

Re: [Community-Discuss] Call for Comments on a Revision to the RSA

2017-10-30 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Noah, At 08:16 AM 30-10-2017, Noah wrote: Amending the RSA to enable the transfer policy has generated a bunch of discussions and concerns. It is very important to see that the proposed changes through the updated 6d(v) and the new 6d(vi) address the concerns expressed. The main/major conc