Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
Don, I think we have a semantic problem. Some things don't work as expected but provide the genesis for further creativity. Other things work, but not with sufficient additional value for the disproportionate effort invested. Some things don't end up having any enduring value except as one

[computer-go] cgos 19x19

2007-11-25 Thread Don Dailey
What's going on with the 19x19 server? It's been down for a few days now. - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

CL implementation speed (Re: [computer-go] Drunken sailor on payday)

2007-11-25 Thread William Harold Newman
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:30:01AM +0100, Benjamin Teuber wrote: > AFAIK, CMUCL is the fastest free lisp available. But I would rather > stick with its offspring, SBCL, which might be a bit slower, but it is > being worked on actively, it is quite portable > (http://sbcl.sourceforge.net/platform-ta

Re: [computer-go] Drunken sailor on payday

2007-11-25 Thread Christoph Birk
On Nov 25, 2007, at 10:52 AM, Ian Osgood wrote: On Nov 25, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Ian Osgood wrote: Folks might be interested in the Common Lisp chess program "Symbolic" by Steven J. Edwards (of PGN fame). From his ICC description: Symbolic is a C++/Lisp chessplaying program written by S.

Re: [computer-go] Drunken sailor on payday

2007-11-25 Thread Ian Osgood
On Nov 25, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Ian Osgood wrote: Folks might be interested in the Common Lisp chess program "Symbolic" by Steven J. Edwards (of PGN fame). From his ICC description: Symbolic is a C++/Lisp chessplaying program written by S. J. Edwards. Symbolic's C++ source is fully ANSI/

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Don Dailey
Jim O'Flaherty, Jr. wrote: > Heikki, > > I'm with you. There is no "wrong thinking" at the present time. Of course there is wrong thinking. Why do you think they call it the "trial and error" approach? - Don > There are too many differing agendas, with building the strongest > program i

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Don Dailey
Heikki Levanto wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 11:52:14AM -0500, Don Dailey wrote: > >> I know that most go programmers don't concern themselves with small >> improvements because of the sense that there is bigger fish to fry. >> But this is wrong thinking. If you can get 10 small improv

Re: [computer-go] Drunken sailor on payday

2007-11-25 Thread Ian Osgood
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Nov 22, 2007, at 1:17 PM, Stefan Nobis wrote: "Benjamin Teuber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Man, we really need a complete Common Lisp Go Framework which also has some fast low-level code to show all these C gurus its true power :) I think s

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Jim O'Flaherty, Jr.
Heikki, I'm with you. There is no "wrong thinking" at the present time. There are too many differing agendas, with building the strongest program immediately being only one, to claim any approach is futile, inefficient or erred. Once there are approaches that actually come near playing low

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Heikki Levanto
On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 11:52:14AM -0500, Don Dailey wrote: > I know that most go programmers don't concern themselves with small > improvements because of the sense that there is bigger fish to fry. > But this is wrong thinking. If you can get 10 small improvements it > can be equivalent to o

Re: [computer-go] speeding up testing of computer go programs

2007-11-25 Thread Don Dailey
> However, perhaps there are ways to make testing a Go program use less clock > time? This is the right idea. Chess programmers use massive automated testing - playing games. To measure a small ELO improvement in your program requires tens of thousands of games.I think it's something l

Re: [computer-go] FPGA to Hardware

2007-11-25 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Joshua Shriver wrote: > > FPGA boards are expensive How many gates do you need? It's not because the eval boards you find everywhere are expensive that FPGA's are. Low-cost ones go from 10 to 70 USD depending on the gate count. A bargain compared to an ASIC solution as long as the quantities are