Re: [computer-go] Re: Should 9x9 komi be 8.0 ?]

2008-03-01 Thread Hideki Kato
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> delta_komi = 10^(K * (number_of_empty_points / 400 - 1)), >> where K is 1 if winnig and is 2 if loosing. Also, if expected >> winning rate is between 45% and 65%, Komi is unmodified. > >There's one thing I don't like at all, there: you could get positive

Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [computer-go] Should 9x9 komi be 8.0 ?]

2008-03-01 Thread Petr Baudis
On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 01:01:08PM -0500, Don Dailey wrote: > It's naive to think some simplistic deception imposed upon the program > is going to correct the error when you don't even know if the program is > erring in the first place. How can you say, "the program thinks it > is losing, but

Re: [computer-go] Re: Should 9x9 komi be 8.0 ?]

2008-03-01 Thread jonas . kahn
> delta_komi = 10^(K * (number_of_empty_points / 400 - 1)), > where K is 1 if winnig and is 2 if loosing. Also, if expected > winning rate is between 45% and 65%, Komi is unmodified. There's one thing I don't like at all, there: you could get positive evaluation when losing, and hence play conser

Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-03-01 Thread Petr Baudis
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 09:03:17PM +0100, Alain Baeckeroot wrote: > Le lundi 18 février 2008, Michael Williams a écrit : > > But as was pointed out before, these high levels of MoGo are probably still > > not pro level, right? > > > > On 9x9 Big_slow_Mogo is near pro level, maybe more. > 6 month

Re: [computer-go] f(score) instead of sign(score)

2008-03-01 Thread jonas . kahn
> http://ewh.ieee.org/cmte/cis/mtsc/ieeecis/tutorial2007/Bruno_Bouzy_2007.pdf > > Page 89, "which kind of outcome". This method is better than the above > and similar to what Jonas seems to propose. The improvement is minor. By looking at their proposal (45 * win + score), in contrast to mine, th

Re: [computer-go] Way MC plays

2008-03-01 Thread Jacques Basaldúa
Don Dailey wrote: I personally have serious doubts about knowledge extraction from human games, but I hope you have success.I think you can get more from computer games of strong players even though the level is weaker. Here is why I say that: 1. A strong computer still plays a lot of go