Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: [computer-go] Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-19 Thread Ross Werner
Jeff Nowakowski wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 19:41 -0700, Ross Werner wrote: The only exception is the "ridiculous invasion" scenario that started this thread--that's the only case that I have seen in which the "virtual"ness of the playout matters. That's a gross simplification and untrue. C

Re: OT: Teaching Go (was Re: [computer-go] Re: Disputes under Japanese rules)

2008-09-19 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 19:41 -0700, Ross Werner wrote: > I teach informal territory rules with "virtual" play out. However in > practice, I should note, the difference between territory rules with > *actual* (not virtual) playout and area rules with actual playout ends > up being identical. The o

Re: [computer-go] 2008 Olympiad

2008-09-19 Thread Gian-Carlo Pascutto
Ian Osgood wrote: > I no longer see CrazyStone nor GoLois in the list of participants for > 19x19. I do hope Chen Zhixing decides to enter HandTalk. It's surprising CrazyStone is gone, as Remi's talk is still listed. What happened? It should have been a podium candidate. By the way, there is a

Re: [computer-go] Re: sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes?

2008-09-19 Thread David Doshay
First move is easy, but depending upon ratio of diameter to length of torus, ladders can get complicated. Cheers, David On 19, Sep 2008, at 10:48 AM, Álvaro Begué wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would go on a torus be interesting? There are not

Re: [computer-go] Re: sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes?

2008-09-19 Thread Álvaro Begué
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would go on a torus be interesting? There are not corners or edges, the > sides of the board simply wrap around. > > - Don Yes, it's probably similar in spirit to regular go, except everything feels like the center of the bo

Re: [computer-go] Re: sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes?

2008-09-19 Thread Don Dailey
Would go on a torus be interesting? There are not corners or edges, the sides of the board simply wrap around. - Don On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 09:52 -0700, Ross Werner wrote: > Urban Hafner wrote: > > Ah, right. I thought you were talking about implementing this feature > > for your own program. Per

Re: [computer-go] Re: sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes?

2008-09-19 Thread Ross Werner
Urban Hafner wrote: Ah, right. I thought you were talking about implementing this feature for your own program. Personally I don't know of any program that supports rectangular boards. There was a recent thread on GoDiscussions about this topic: http://www.godiscussions.com/forum/showthread.php

Re: [computer-go] Re: sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes?

2008-09-19 Thread Urban Hafner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ingo Althöfer wrote: > I did not know about the notion SZ[m:n] for rectangular boards. > > And neither do at least some publicly available Go programs. > I tried to enter SZ[3:5] into ManyFaces (version 10) and > in Leela, without success. They simpl

[computer-go] Re: sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes?

2008-09-19 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Dear Urban, thx for the quick reply. >> does there exist a generalisation of the sgf-format >> for rectangular board sizes? > > What exactly do you mean by generalization? You can > use SZ[1] to define the size of your rectangular board. > > [1] http://www.red-bean.com/sgf/properties.html#SZ I

Re: [computer-go] sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes ?

2008-09-19 Thread Urban Hafner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ingo Althöfer wrote: > Hello, > > does there exist a generalisation of the sgf-format > for rectangular board sizes? What exactly do you mean by generalization? You can use SZ[1] to define the size of your rectangular board. And then your are done, a

[computer-go] sgf format for non-quadratic board sizes ?

2008-09-19 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hello, does there exist a generalisation of the sgf-format for rectangular board sizes? The background of my question is that I would like to try how MCTS works on small boards, and there are not so many quadratically ones... (For instance, I am eager to see what happens on 7x5-board.) By the wa