Re: [Computer-go] what the point is for such a [level playing field] tournament

2015-10-10 Thread djhbrown .
there are 2 points: 1. for research reasons, provided all the entrants were open source and full disclosure. John McCarthy (the father of AI) pointed out many years ago (footage featured in my movie "computer Go to come"), it would be like a one-design sailboat competition, so that it would be t

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread David Fotland
There is an easy way to enforce computational limits. Ask everyone to run on an identical AWS instance. Nevertheless, I’m against identical hardware tournaments except as a special rare exception. From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of David Doshay Sent

Re: [Computer-go] *****SPAM***** Re: KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread David Fotland
You could what they do in bridge tournaments, and provide two sets of results from the same tournament. Hardware would be unrestricted for everyone The Open result would include all participants, exactly as today. A "single machine" result would only include participants that ran on a single n

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread Rémi Coulom
Hi Nick, If you are to limit hardware in one tournament, I would prefer that it is not the slow tournament. The slow tournament is interesting because it pushes programs to their limits. Rémi On 10/10/2015 07:28 PM, Nick Wedd wrote: Thanks to everyone for their interest and responses. The s

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread Gonçalo Mendes Ferreira
On 10/10/2015 18:30, David Doshay wrote: I agree completely that there is no way to enforce computational limits over the internet. I am against ‘identical hardware’ tournaments because people have worked to get their programs working on the hardware they have, and some people will be on th

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread Marc Landgraf
I still like the idea of "1 Desktop/Notebook" for the lowspec category. And what is the point? Comparability. How are you comparing your "research results" if it is not clear, if the advantage comes from an hardware advantage or from your newly developed algorithms? If tried to improve the aerodyna

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread David Doshay
I agree completely that there is no way to enforce computational limits over the internet. I am against ‘identical hardware’ tournaments because people have worked to get their programs working on the hardware they have, and some people will be on the other side of any hardware decision, Mac v.

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread Nick Wedd
Thanks to everyone for their interest and responses. The second and third questions are easy: I shall keep the zeroes in the "annual" table, and I shall update the crosstable after each round whenever this is convenient for me. I really don't feel qualified to contribute to question 1, the "limi

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread Jim O'Flaherty
I second Peter's response. On Oct 10, 2015 10:33 AM, "Peter Drake" wrote: > I'm also for no limits, if only because there's no way to enforce them. > > If there is to be a limited division, I'd like to see all programs run on > identical hardware. > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Hiroshi Yamas

Re: [Computer-go] KGS bot tournaments - what are your opinions?

2015-10-10 Thread Peter Drake
I'm also for no limits, if only because there's no way to enforce them. If there is to be a limited division, I'd like to see all programs run on identical hardware. On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 6:07 AM, Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: > Hi Nick, > > I'd like no limit. Restriction will lose a chance of mass