Re: [Computer-go] Zen19X achieved stable KGS 7d

2016-01-30 Thread Hideki Kato
Petr Baudis: <20160130150502.gf12...@machine.or.cz>: > Hi, > > it seems that Zen19X grabbed at KGS 7d and looks like it's gonna hold! > > > http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=zen19x&year=2016&month=1&oldAcounts=y > >It's fairly fast, but not terribly so, and while it's unfortunate

Re: [Computer-go] Neural Nets to compare human playing strength

2016-01-30 Thread Josef Moudrik
By playing data, I mean enough games of Lee Sedol and even less for Shusaku. Dne so 30. 1. 2016 16:07 uživatel Josef Moudrik napsal: > Imo, you do not have enough playing data to train full network. > > One way to do this might be to have a general system to estimate player > strength from his r

Re: [Computer-go] Neural Nets to compare human playing strength

2016-01-30 Thread Josef Moudrik
Imo, you do not have enough playing data to train full network. One way to do this might be to have a general system to estimate player strength from his records. My http://gostyle.j2m.cz project does something similar, but for strong players it is not very precise.. I have recently tried to do t

[Computer-go] Zen19X achieved stable KGS 7d

2016-01-30 Thread Petr Baudis
Hi, it seems that Zen19X grabbed at KGS 7d and looks like it's gonna hold! http://www.gokgs.com/gameArchives.jsp?user=zen19x&year=2016&month=1&oldAcounts=y It's fairly fast, but not terribly so, and while it's unfortunate most of the games are handicaps against low dans, there proba

Re: [Computer-go] Neural Nets to compare human playing strength

2016-01-30 Thread Petri Pitkanen
I do not think such exercise would give any meaningful results. NN would not imitate it's 'hero' 1-1 not even close Funny such discussion keep on going on in Chess and Go, in chess i think Steiniz would be wiped of board by best players of today, but still he would be way better as he created muc

Re: [Computer-go] A proposition to improve neural network based on min max

2016-01-30 Thread Brian Sheppard
Seems related to “temporal difference learning.” Each position’s max value should equal the next position’s min value in the asymptote, so you train the system accordingly. From: Computer-go [mailto:computer-go-boun...@computer-go.org] On Behalf Of Xavier Combelle Sent: Saturday, January 30,

[Computer-go] A proposition to improve neural network based on min max

2016-01-30 Thread Xavier Combelle
I had got an idea but I don't think I'm strong enough programmer to implement it. (In particular I know quite nothing about neural network) So I submit it here. If we have a neural network which is able to evaluate all the positions of a board. The following might help to improve it. >From a posi

[Computer-go] Neural Nets to compare human playing strength

2016-01-30 Thread Ingo Althöfer
Hi, in a German computer-go subforum we have a discussion which involves a comparison of the "absolute" playing strengths of current hero Lee Sedol and Shusaku (1829-1862). http://senseis.xmp.net/?Shusaku It is not possible to let them play a match against each other. But what about the followin